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After all said and done, not banning nidalee after having all 3 bans from CLG hit wickd's bruisers was a monumental toss up.
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On August 19 2011 22:51 locodoco wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 22:49 NeoIllusions wrote:On August 19 2011 22:47 kenwoo wrote:On August 19 2011 22:41 NeoIllusions wrote:On August 19 2011 22:38 kenwoo wrote:
the only reason SK lost this game was not spotting them at level 1 jungle and the fact that they didnt ban nidalee, they were actually doing really good at bot lane, dragons and doing quite well in mid with ganks from nocturne but they couldn't handle the push from hotshotgg and wetdream was so far behind from that first blood that he couldnt gank mid or top early FB on Noc is definitely not the reason why SK lost. SK was behind in every lane except bot. Candypandah never converted his godly farm into anything tangible in team fights. inorder to stop nidalee from farming so hard is to kill her before she can reach level 6, WW got manhandled from lee sin ganks and nidalee while nocturne was still trying to clear his jungle, that first blood was gold because they stole wraths, small golem plus lizard which means nidalee and annie are completely free from ganks early and annie got that first blood puts him above ocelote and got a kill with tibbers as well. It definitely was a reason why SK lost, WetDream plays a SICK nocturne but he couldnt do shit this game he was not a threat at all throughout the game and he was 2 levels behind everyone. I see your point but I would credit that more to CLG's joint decision to steal Wraith/Red. Not so much the FB by Salce. Dying to Salce was simply adding salt to the injury. what really fucked nocturn was saint taking his double golems afterwards saint sealed noc's fate with that move credit : lapaka
lol, I didn't even notice that. So that means entire Baron side jungle for Noc was gone, rofl...
gfg indeed.
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On August 19 2011 22:38 kenwoo wrote:
the only reason SK lost this game was not spotting them at level 1 jungle and the fact that they didnt ban nidalee, they were actually doing really good at bot lane, dragons and doing quite well in mid with ganks from nocturne but they couldn't handle the push from hotshotgg and wetdream was so far behind from that first blood that he couldnt gank mid or top early
The fact that their strongest member wasn't there for the key fight at mid didn't help. The casters talked so much about how farmed Panda was, but it doesn't matter if she's not there.
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Some fucking creepy people in front of camera lol
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On August 19 2011 22:42 Slayer91 wrote:
Except headshot only works after a teamfight and bullet time probably isn't so good versus bruisers that are diving on mf anyway.
It takes one arrow to end an even game and neither of those ults have that consistently. The team also constantly has to play more safely than usual becaues of the threat of an arrow, wasting flashes and things that could be teamfight deciding later.
Most of your damage comes from auto attacks, so if your not bringing the utility(ashe), then you better be able to position well. The longer your range, the better your able to position. Also she has net which gives her a way to move around a small bit, obviously Tristana has the superior range and reposition(with W and R) though.
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On August 19 2011 22:52 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 22:51 locodoco wrote:On August 19 2011 22:49 NeoIllusions wrote:On August 19 2011 22:47 kenwoo wrote:On August 19 2011 22:41 NeoIllusions wrote:On August 19 2011 22:38 kenwoo wrote:
the only reason SK lost this game was not spotting them at level 1 jungle and the fact that they didnt ban nidalee, they were actually doing really good at bot lane, dragons and doing quite well in mid with ganks from nocturne but they couldn't handle the push from hotshotgg and wetdream was so far behind from that first blood that he couldnt gank mid or top early FB on Noc is definitely not the reason why SK lost. SK was behind in every lane except bot. Candypandah never converted his godly farm into anything tangible in team fights. inorder to stop nidalee from farming so hard is to kill her before she can reach level 6, WW got manhandled from lee sin ganks and nidalee while nocturne was still trying to clear his jungle, that first blood was gold because they stole wraths, small golem plus lizard which means nidalee and annie are completely free from ganks early and annie got that first blood puts him above ocelote and got a kill with tibbers as well. It definitely was a reason why SK lost, WetDream plays a SICK nocturne but he couldnt do shit this game he was not a threat at all throughout the game and he was 2 levels behind everyone. I see your point but I would credit that more to CLG's joint decision to steal Wraith/Red. Not so much the FB by Salce. Dying to Salce was simply adding salt to the injury. what really fucked nocturn was saint taking his double golems afterwards saint sealed noc's fate with that move credit : lapaka lol, I didn't even notice that. So that means entire Baron side jungle for Noc was gone, rofl... gfg indeed.
I noticed after wetdream respawned he went straight to golems to try to hit his level 2 and had to back straight away.
He also started vamp sceptre very hard to recover.
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On August 19 2011 22:52 Jacobs Ladder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 22:38 kenwoo wrote:
the only reason SK lost this game was not spotting them at level 1 jungle and the fact that they didnt ban nidalee, they were actually doing really good at bot lane, dragons and doing quite well in mid with ganks from nocturne but they couldn't handle the push from hotshotgg and wetdream was so far behind from that first blood that he couldnt gank mid or top early The fact that their strongest member wasn't there for the key fight at mid didn't help. The casters talked so much about how farmed Panda was, but it doesn't matter if she's not there.
also panda had a chance to kill jiji,when jiji arrowed mid, jiji had exhaust up with no flash, and candy had flash up with no exhaust,and jiji was hitting tower at that point. flash -> wall pin -> into chase woulda meant a kill + tower forcing clg to comedown
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Very interesting to see how badly you can mess up the other team if you lose some early xp on lanes just to steal the jungle with force.
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On August 19 2011 22:53 BlueBird. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 22:42 Slayer91 wrote:
Except headshot only works after a teamfight and bullet time probably isn't so good versus bruisers that are diving on mf anyway.
It takes one arrow to end an even game and neither of those ults have that consistently. The team also constantly has to play more safely than usual becaues of the threat of an arrow, wasting flashes and things that could be teamfight deciding later. Most of your damage comes from auto attacks, so if your not bringing the utility(ashe), then you better be able to position well. The longer your range, the better your able to position. Also she has net which gives her a way to move around a small bit, obviously Tristana has the superior range and reposition(with W and R) though.
The difference between cait and trist is the fact that cait's net has one purpose. The get away. Early game a big chunk of trists damage comes from using her escape offensively.That can sometimes end really badly
On August 19 2011 22:54 locodoco wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 22:52 Jacobs Ladder wrote:On August 19 2011 22:38 kenwoo wrote:
the only reason SK lost this game was not spotting them at level 1 jungle and the fact that they didnt ban nidalee, they were actually doing really good at bot lane, dragons and doing quite well in mid with ganks from nocturne but they couldn't handle the push from hotshotgg and wetdream was so far behind from that first blood that he couldnt gank mid or top early The fact that their strongest member wasn't there for the key fight at mid didn't help. The casters talked so much about how farmed Panda was, but it doesn't matter if she's not there. also panda had a chance to kill jiji,when jiji arrowed mid, jiji had exhaust up with no flash, and candy had flash up with no exhaust,and jiji was hitting tower at that point. flash -> wall pin -> into chase woulda meant a kill + tower forcing clg to comedown
Yeah, Candy just seemed to be a none issue that game. He didn't have anywhere near the impact he could have.
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On August 19 2011 22:54 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 22:52 NeoIllusions wrote:On August 19 2011 22:51 locodoco wrote:On August 19 2011 22:49 NeoIllusions wrote:On August 19 2011 22:47 kenwoo wrote:On August 19 2011 22:41 NeoIllusions wrote:On August 19 2011 22:38 kenwoo wrote:
the only reason SK lost this game was not spotting them at level 1 jungle and the fact that they didnt ban nidalee, they were actually doing really good at bot lane, dragons and doing quite well in mid with ganks from nocturne but they couldn't handle the push from hotshotgg and wetdream was so far behind from that first blood that he couldnt gank mid or top early FB on Noc is definitely not the reason why SK lost. SK was behind in every lane except bot. Candypandah never converted his godly farm into anything tangible in team fights. inorder to stop nidalee from farming so hard is to kill her before she can reach level 6, WW got manhandled from lee sin ganks and nidalee while nocturne was still trying to clear his jungle, that first blood was gold because they stole wraths, small golem plus lizard which means nidalee and annie are completely free from ganks early and annie got that first blood puts him above ocelote and got a kill with tibbers as well. It definitely was a reason why SK lost, WetDream plays a SICK nocturne but he couldnt do shit this game he was not a threat at all throughout the game and he was 2 levels behind everyone. I see your point but I would credit that more to CLG's joint decision to steal Wraith/Red. Not so much the FB by Salce. Dying to Salce was simply adding salt to the injury. what really fucked nocturn was saint taking his double golems afterwards saint sealed noc's fate with that move credit : lapaka lol, I didn't even notice that. So that means entire Baron side jungle for Noc was gone, rofl... gfg indeed. I noticed after wetdream respawned he went straight to golems hit his level 2 and had to back straight away. He also started vamp sceptre very hard to recover.
I think I was too busy typing to notice that nuance. Nice job to those of you who picked that up though. Minimap awareness king~
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I wonder what those guys stopped to stare at?
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On August 19 2011 22:54 locodoco wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 22:52 Jacobs Ladder wrote:On August 19 2011 22:38 kenwoo wrote:
the only reason SK lost this game was not spotting them at level 1 jungle and the fact that they didnt ban nidalee, they were actually doing really good at bot lane, dragons and doing quite well in mid with ganks from nocturne but they couldn't handle the push from hotshotgg and wetdream was so far behind from that first blood that he couldnt gank mid or top early The fact that their strongest member wasn't there for the key fight at mid didn't help. The casters talked so much about how farmed Panda was, but it doesn't matter if she's not there. also panda had a chance to kill jiji,when jiji arrowed mid, jiji had exhaust up with no flash, and candy had flash up with no exhaust,and jiji was hitting tower at that point. flash -> wall pin -> into chase woulda meant a kill + tower forcing clg to comedown
Besides not showing up for team fights, Candy looked like he fucked up a lot of possible kills on jiji that would put his team up more + set CLG back even more bot. But I wasn't sure, you seem to agree though. huk
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Also, did they save the interviews of players somewhere? I want to see the interview of ocelote trying to carry 4 heavies on his back.
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zenon casting next possibly a shoutout incoming
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Naw, they didn't skipped the interviews or didn't air them. I think the former.
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On August 19 2011 22:56 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 22:54 Slayer91 wrote:On August 19 2011 22:52 NeoIllusions wrote:On August 19 2011 22:51 locodoco wrote:On August 19 2011 22:49 NeoIllusions wrote:On August 19 2011 22:47 kenwoo wrote:On August 19 2011 22:41 NeoIllusions wrote:On August 19 2011 22:38 kenwoo wrote:
the only reason SK lost this game was not spotting them at level 1 jungle and the fact that they didnt ban nidalee, they were actually doing really good at bot lane, dragons and doing quite well in mid with ganks from nocturne but they couldn't handle the push from hotshotgg and wetdream was so far behind from that first blood that he couldnt gank mid or top early FB on Noc is definitely not the reason why SK lost. SK was behind in every lane except bot. Candypandah never converted his godly farm into anything tangible in team fights. inorder to stop nidalee from farming so hard is to kill her before she can reach level 6, WW got manhandled from lee sin ganks and nidalee while nocturne was still trying to clear his jungle, that first blood was gold because they stole wraths, small golem plus lizard which means nidalee and annie are completely free from ganks early and annie got that first blood puts him above ocelote and got a kill with tibbers as well. It definitely was a reason why SK lost, WetDream plays a SICK nocturne but he couldnt do shit this game he was not a threat at all throughout the game and he was 2 levels behind everyone. I see your point but I would credit that more to CLG's joint decision to steal Wraith/Red. Not so much the FB by Salce. Dying to Salce was simply adding salt to the injury. what really fucked nocturn was saint taking his double golems afterwards saint sealed noc's fate with that move credit : lapaka lol, I didn't even notice that. So that means entire Baron side jungle for Noc was gone, rofl... gfg indeed. I noticed after wetdream respawned he went straight to golems hit his level 2 and had to back straight away. He also started vamp sceptre very hard to recover. I think I was too busy typing to notice that nuance. Nice job to those of you who picked that up though. Minimap awareness king~ Yeah, if noct was doing the small wolves->wraiths path getting your jungle stolen just destroys you. You NEED the fast levels to make that path work. I've never been sure how to come back from getting countered like that without help from your team.
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On August 19 2011 22:58 Vlanitak wrote:
zenon casting next possibly a shoutout incoming
If this was your doing, hi5 to you Vlani.
And hi5 to Zenon when he does shoutout~
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I wonder if fnatic sticks to the double AP lane vs CLG
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Even tho candypanda farmed well, I felt he missed out on a lot of opportunities to do some good damage in teamfights, aside obviously from not being there for some key fights. The jungle start really didnt help either, but I felt it was largely SK's indecision that wrecked them aswell. Every engagement seemed fidgety and seemed to actually surprise half of the team, I never saw a coordinated "here we go!". I am hoping for some more interesting/surprising champion picks this tournament, Galio was fun (and quite good), but I want to see more =)
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On August 19 2011 22:59 daemir wrote:
I wonder if fnatic sticks to the double AP lane vs CLG You can counter pick double AP pretty hard. If you watched yesterday you saw how badly having someone like Udyr top can beat that set up.
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