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cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
August 19 2011 13:36 GMT
#1241
On August 19 2011 22:34 locodoco wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 22:32 cascades wrote:
Hotshot Nidalee GG indeed.

Question to high elo:
Why do ppl not flash initiate when hotshot throwing spears behind the wall?

cuz they didnt have vision and its hard to initiate when people are pushing ur tower
wtf is sk gonna do? ww flash in to 5 ppl and ult? oh wait wickd actually did that see how it turned out


Well for that fight they didn't have tower to retreat too, but yeah I see what u mean. But it got to be better than standing there and hoping Nidaree misses, no?
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
August 19 2011 13:36 GMT
#1242
imo somewhat fair calls on wickd, if you've ever watched his stream...

but im still flabbergasted that they gave hotshot that nidalee :D I mean really!
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
August 19 2011 13:36 GMT
#1243
Meh, ashe is still the best AD carry in competitive 5v5, even if jijji hits 1/10 arrows, that one arrow can be game changing, and that alone is enough of a reason to play her.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-19 13:41:39
August 19 2011 13:36 GMT
#1244
Oops.
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OreoBoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada1639 Posts
August 19 2011 13:37 GMT
#1245
On August 19 2011 22:34 BlueBird. wrote:
Well semi - finals are decided, kind of curious how this third game plays out..

Is it possible a team tries to throw the game cause they would rather play vs Mill, instead of TSM, Do you still play the hardest possible and show your strat when it's possible you meet in the finals?

-_-


Mill is 2nd in the group, so you have to win to play Mill
nweb
Profile Joined June 2011
198 Posts
August 19 2011 13:37 GMT
#1246
On August 19 2011 22:11 NeoIllusions wrote:
jiji having a really poor showing so far. Possibly his worst in a tournament. He'll have to really depend on his positioning skills to balance things out. Otherwise Candypandah is going to face roll.


Pfft. He hasn't died once in the tourney and his team has won games convincingly. Whatever
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-19 13:38:58
August 19 2011 13:38 GMT
#1247
On August 19 2011 22:36 Senx wrote:
Meh, ashe is still the best AD carry in competitive 5v5, even if jijji hits 1/10 arrows, that one arrow can be game changing, and that alone is enough of a reason to play her.


I disagree if there's champions like tristana and vayne that can just rape a whole team if they aren't kept in check, but why people play caitlyn is beyond me. I can see MF because of the lane power and ulti for AoE comps, but ashe is just too good.

Vayne never got a chance to really shine there too many people were watching him (bigfatjiji at that last fight was not fighting him but zoning/threating to kill him if vayne got hit by a single CC).
kenwoo
Profile Joined August 2010
United States484 Posts
August 19 2011 13:38 GMT
#1248
the only reason SK lost this game was not spotting them at level 1 jungle and the fact that they didnt ban nidalee, they were actually doing really good at bot lane, dragons and doing quite well in mid with ganks from nocturne but they couldn't handle the push from hotshotgg and wetdream was so far behind from that first blood that he couldnt gank mid or top early
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
August 19 2011 13:39 GMT
#1249
Ashe just isn't vayne that goes up to your face. Also people underestimate volley and the slow from it.

Not dying at all while keeping the volley poke and the dps running is by far not bad. I'd like him to hit more ult arrows tho :D

still that nidalee play..those spears, goddamn hurt!
Smokincoyote
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia57 Posts
August 19 2011 13:39 GMT
#1250
I still don't understand why SK went for Rumble instead of a more standard AP caster - particularly coming out of the previous EU meta of two AP... seemed unnecessary and gave them really poor burst dmg
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
August 19 2011 13:39 GMT
#1251
On August 19 2011 22:38 kenwoo wrote:
the only reason SK lost this game was not spotting them at level 1 jungle and the fact that they didnt ban nidalee, they were actually doing really good at bot lane, dragons and doing quite well in mid with ganks from nocturne but they couldn't handle the push from hotshotgg and wetdream was so far behind from that first blood that he couldnt gank mid or top early


Yep, gank nidalee before 6 or its a waste of time after that.
Nidalee rapes lanes really hard.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
August 19 2011 13:39 GMT
#1252
On August 19 2011 22:37 nweb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 22:11 NeoIllusions wrote:
jiji having a really poor showing so far. Possibly his worst in a tournament. He'll have to really depend on his positioning skills to balance things out. Otherwise Candypandah is going to face roll.


Pfft. He hasn't died once in the tourney and his team has won games convincingly. Whatever


I commented on jiji not dying. I credit him to his incredible positioning skills during team fights.

But that doesn't detract from the fact that he's missing a lot of arrows and would you not rather trade that in for a more secure ulti like Headshot or Bullet Time.
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Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-19 13:41:22
August 19 2011 13:40 GMT
#1253
from what i saw of the game, jiji's arrows did cause the enemy team to blow a couple of flashes / reposition unfavorably, and ofc jiji never died himself with good position and peel from ele and co in the later fights. still worth the pick considering how well he positioned himself and fought in teamfights (ashe's damage output not terribad or anything esp if you permaslow most of the other team every volley)

bullet time maybe, but the cc in the volleys was invaluable in keeping hotshot unkillable
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Aurdon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2007 Posts
August 19 2011 13:40 GMT
#1254
On August 19 2011 22:36 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 22:34 BlueBird. wrote:
Well semi - finals are decided, kind of curious how this third game plays out..

Is it possible a team tries to throw the game cause they would rather play vs Mill, instead of TSM, Do you still play the hardest possible and show your strat when it's possible you meet in the finals?

-_-


If I was CLG, I would try to take 2nd place in Group B. They're secured into semis, so try to take the easier bracket.

But not sure if they want to "play" the bracket like that.


Has CLG ever played Millennium before? Did they lose? Because they lost on more than one occasion to TSM and that was with Chauster and not Salce and not Jiji on AD.

Unless Millennium stomped CLG in the past at some point. I would think CLG would want to avoid TSM.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
August 19 2011 13:41 GMT
#1255
On August 19 2011 22:38 kenwoo wrote:
the only reason SK lost this game was not spotting them at level 1 jungle and the fact that they didnt ban nidalee, they were actually doing really good at bot lane, dragons and doing quite well in mid with ganks from nocturne but they couldn't handle the push from hotshotgg and wetdream was so far behind from that first blood that he couldnt gank mid or top early


FB on Noc is definitely not the reason why SK lost. SK was behind in every lane except bot.
Candypandah never converted his godly farm into anything tangible in team fights.
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BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-19 13:41:19
August 19 2011 13:41 GMT
#1256
On August 19 2011 22:38 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 22:36 Senx wrote:
Meh, ashe is still the best AD carry in competitive 5v5, even if jijji hits 1/10 arrows, that one arrow can be game changing, and that alone is enough of a reason to play her.


I disagree if there's champions like tristana and vayne that can just rape a whole team if they aren't kept in check, but why people play caitlyn is beyond me. I can see MF because of the lane power and ulti for AoE comps, but ashe is just too good.

Vayne never got a chance to really shine there too many people were watching him (bigfatjiji at that last fight was not fighting him but zoning/threating to kill him if vayne got hit by a single CC).


I know it's just personal opinion, but MF's range makes her meh late game.

Caitlyn has strong lane presence and super long range, same with Tristana, I think that's why I like them as ranged carries.

And yes I think everyone is under the impression ashe is best in 5v5s, can't believe she's not banned every game after what happened in DH.

Jiji is pretty meh this event, but whatever, hopefully he gets it together before the semi finals.
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daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
August 19 2011 13:41 GMT
#1257
On August 19 2011 22:39 Smokincoyote wrote:
I still don't understand why SK went for Rumble instead of a more standard AP caster - particularly coming out of the previous EU meta of two AP... seemed unnecessary and gave them really poor burst dmg


I think it's because Oce plays quite a bit of rumble and feels very comfortable with it.
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
August 19 2011 13:41 GMT
#1258
So many viewers, LoL is doing awesome. Game developers are SO smart.
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jtrex
Profile Joined January 2011
Japan94 Posts
August 19 2011 13:42 GMT
#1259
More than 80k viewers!!! Wonder how many people watching SC2?
FR4CT4L
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia697 Posts
August 19 2011 13:42 GMT
#1260
I gotta agree with Neo here, if Jiji stays on ashe and his arrows don't tighten up there will be trouble heading forward. No other team is just going to let Hotshot do his thing for free anymore if they are smart.
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