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Gahlo
United States35154 Posts
On June 30 2014 23:52 miicah wrote: Don't think I ever played Varus as an auto attack ADC, maybe when he first came out and E max was the norm. Yeah, but the proper way to play him got bent over and reemed so I don't see many ways to emulate it. | ||
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miicah
Australia2470 Posts
?? Seems logical, but peoples concerns about not being able to afford two BF swords in a row seem valid. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35154 Posts
On July 02 2014 13:41 miicah wrote: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/29k42u/patch_410_ad_caster_legolas_build_somehow_not_used/ ?? Seems logical, but peoples concerns about not being able to afford two BF swords in a row seem valid. Yeah, I saw this earlier. I'll preface this by saying that I never like the "Legolas Build" in the first place. The entire thing reeks of putting the cart before the horse. Literally the only reason it's being suggested is that has the lowest AD:g ratio. By the time you hit double BF, you're up against BT/Longsword or IE or BotRK/longsword. That's also assuming that you can keep up in gold during the transition to 2nd BF. In the end, it's saying "Pay 3900 for a fully stacked BT + 10AD that has a really crappy buildup." I mean, I get that it's as close as you're gonna get until the BT that Riot has been playing Hokey-Pokey with on the PBE comes out... but this is like cutting off your nose to spite your face kind of thing. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35154 Posts
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AsianEcksDragon
United States1036 Posts
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GreggSauce
United States566 Posts
On July 02 2014 14:03 Gahlo wrote: Yeah, I saw this earlier. I'll preface this by saying that I never like the "Legolas Build" in the first place. The entire thing reeks of putting the cart before the horse. Literally the only reason it's being suggested is that has the lowest AD:g ratio. By the time you hit double BF, you're up against BT/Longsword or IE or BotRK/longsword. That's also assuming that you can keep up in gold during the transition to 2nd BF. In the end, it's saying "Pay 3900 for a fully stacked BT + 10AD that has a really crappy buildup." I mean, I get that it's as close as you're gonna get until the BT that Riot has been playing Hokey-Pokey with on the PBE comes out... but this is like cutting off your nose to spite your face kind of thing. 2 bf is less than 1 botrk, so the issue is ONLY being lane well enough to get 1 bf, then 1 bf, as the "backing costs" of both build paths are nearly identical, only 2 bf makes his skills 4x as strong With that said I've only ever built varus as attack speed, it's much stronger for dueling, him as a "caster" feels too clunky for me, and his damage output going attack speed has always been much higher than caster varus. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35154 Posts
On July 04 2014 01:10 GreggSauce wrote: 2 bf is less than 1 botrk, so the issue is ONLY being lane well enough to get 1 bf, then 1 bf, as the "backing costs" of both build paths are nearly identical, only 2 bf makes his skills 4x as strong With that said I've only ever built varus as attack speed, it's much stronger for dueling, him as a "caster" feels too clunky for me, and his damage output going attack speed has always been much higher than caster varus. I was assuming Vamp first. The buildpaths aren't anywhere near identical. The BF build is very strict and very steep. Botrk 6 distinct steps, all at pretty low costs, and 1 moderately sized one. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium4800 Posts
So in the end I guess what I'm saying is: this seems like a very solid tf build, but also BT/Runaans/Botrk seems like a very good trifecta of items for certain champs, especially if the PBE changes for BT (5% extra lifesteal) go through. Edit: been toying with the idea of replacing IE with a second BT for even MOAR lifesteal. Also, does the shield stack? | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On July 07 2014 04:05 Uldridge wrote: Been playing around a bit with IE/BT/Runaans/Botrk/LW build and it seems solid. The runaans helps you get his w passive on 3 targets instead of 1 so you don't have to prioritize the entire time, so you can potentially chunk 3 people VERY hard if they're clumped up in a tf. Botkr nerf/buff (depends on how you see it) kind of work well with this aswell, it also help getting your shield up faster in a TF (if lifesteal is also enhanced with runaan's?) So in the end I guess what I'm saying is: this seems like a very solid tf build, but also BT/Runaans/Botrk seems like a very good trifecta of items for certain champs, especially if the PBE changes for BT (5% extra lifesteal) go through. Edit: been toying with the idea of replacing IE with a second BT for even MOAR lifesteal. Also, does the shield stack? Unique: Your life steal overheals you, converting the excess healing into a shield that absorbs up to 50-450 damage and decays when out of combat for 15 seconds. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium4800 Posts
On July 07 2014 06:42 arb wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 07 2014 04:05 Uldridge wrote: Been playing around a bit with IE/BT/Runaans/Botrk/LW build and it seems solid. The runaans helps you get his w passive on 3 targets instead of 1 so you don't have to prioritize the entire time, so you can potentially chunk 3 people VERY hard if they're clumped up in a tf. Botkr nerf/buff (depends on how you see it) kind of work well with this aswell, it also help getting your shield up faster in a TF (if lifesteal is also enhanced with runaan's?) So in the end I guess what I'm saying is: this seems like a very solid tf build, but also BT/Runaans/Botrk seems like a very good trifecta of items for certain champs, especially if the PBE changes for BT (5% extra lifesteal) go through. Edit: been toying with the idea of replacing IE with a second BT for even MOAR lifesteal. Also, does the shield stack? Unique: Your life steal overheals you, converting the excess healing into a shield that absorbs up to 50-450 damage and decays when out of combat for 15 seconds. Too bad, hoped for some stacking to happen. But I guess IE still works.. | ||
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miicah
Australia2470 Posts
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Uldridge
Belgium4800 Posts
On July 07 2014 11:04 miicah wrote: Blade and ruunans (plus boots) seems overkill on attack speed no? I'll get back to you on that, did glance over it in the games played but haven't really remembered it. I think it was something around 1.9 without passive going up to 2.3 or 2.4 with kills/assists. So I guess it's pushing it, but definitely not overkilling it. Edit; so I've finally checked the numbers during a game (I keep forgetting to check my AS for some reason hah) and it is 1.91 attack speed at lvl 18, you go to 2.29 (let's round that to 2.3) after a minion kill and 2.674, so 2,5 after a kill/assist. So it may seem a bit like overkill, but I think the Botrk passive + the blighted quiver passive stacked on 3 persons, and then chunking 15% hp off them with either an ult, q or e, definitely catches people off guard. This is a teamfight oriented build btw, focussing on maxing w first. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35154 Posts
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