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Sent.
Poland9330 Posts
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geript
10024 Posts
On August 09 2017 00:02 Sent. wrote: Is it worth it to slowly solo dragons early as Warwick when you're below level 6 and only have a tiamat in your inventory? His sustain allows him to do it with relative safety, but I wonder if trading a cloud dragon for a farm disadvantage hurts me more than it helps my team. I think it's worth to stealth kill the rift herald, but not sure about non-ocean dragons. It depends on the team comp, opponents and the dragon. If you can safely get an Infernal drake, then the gold advantage from it in 15-20 minutes makes a difference. If your lanes are all basically farm lanes, then Ocean can help to force the opponents to back at worse timings to chip towers for pushing later on. Mountain is only good if you already have a bunch of pushing lanes that can chip towers so you can get a few earlier towers. For the most part though, no it's not. It's better to force a flash or bad back; especially as ganking mid can lead to a your choice of Dragon/herald for the other. Ganking bot can give you a free dragon afterwards anyways (though it should end up in a herald/top lane trade of some kind). Another reason why it's generally not worth it is that other than Infernal/Cloud, the other dragons are pretty bad. Mountain is by far the most overrated dragon and often isn't worth the time/camps/pressure you lose for it; mountain is a bit better in 5's where people can coordinate to push objectives. Ocean (other than laning benefits which are relatively small) is only really good in a siege; even in lane it only really helps mid/top and only then if they're already safe. Even when it's Infernal/Cloud, there are many times when he's better to pressure lane so that strong scaling champs get held down. To look at it in a different perspective, Tower gold right now is absolutely paramount. So the drakes that have relatively little effective gold are much worse. Therefore, it's more of a gold gain to find ways to gain a tower and then snowball that into other towers. Plus, if you have 2/3rds of the outer towers down, then quite often you can get the free non-turret objectives and often get a better trade of kills. Looking at it from a third perspective, as Warwick you stand to gain a large benefit from gold. CDR, health, armor, and MR all serve you at being a better tank. AD and CDR help you be a better zoning or backline dive threat. There's not really a dragon that really helps you fill your role on the team; the closest is Cloud giving you faster ways into backline/ganks/objective pressure. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9330 Posts
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geript
10024 Posts
On August 09 2017 04:50 Sent. wrote: Thought it's always worth to take the ocean dragon if it's the first one since it's supposed to be really good in the laning phase. I guess I overestimated its value. Thanks Think about it. Tiamat is what like 1200gp? Only 1050 if you start Rejuvenate bead. I think that's about 8 jungle camps which I think is around 8-9 minutes. By that point, half of laning phase is over. Bot lane is close to backing for BF sword or scimitar. If people get moderately chunked out they often have to back or they risk giving up kills. Mid/top are already 6 and have various ult all ins available. At lower levels, Ocean is probably better because people stay in lane longer and don't work together as much to pressure the map. So they likely get more hp/mana regen that they won't notice allowing them to stay and push longer. But overall, low level games are as much a completely different game as competitive is. | ||
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Jan1997
Norway671 Posts
So I've been playing LoL since 2013, very casual play nothing fancy at all. Now however I'm interested in giving this game a real crack at it and play ranked. The problem? It takes soo long time to level. Like, i get 60xp for a 40 minute loss and It'd take me a month at least playing 6-7 hours at that paste. It's ridiculous. Is there anyway to level fast besides blind pick and purchase of xp boost? | ||
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
Bot games in general are quite good for leveling because you can always win vs bots, the games are not too long (don't end before you get exp/IP though, there's a minimum game time), and you can learn the game. But they're quite boring, I personally lved to 30 by playing one bot game for the IP boost, and then normals, took me a few months to get to lv 30. Surprised you say you play casually since 2013 and are still not lv 30 lol. Other option is to buy a bot account and play from there, which is obviously not allowed and might get you banned. | ||
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Jan1997
Norway671 Posts
That being said, I must clarify one thing. The reason I'm not lvl 30 after 4 years is because I lost my old account and only have had my current account for about less than a year. I didn't play much until recently. I just didn't explain that in my original post haha :D | ||
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On August 17 2017 16:26 Jan1997 wrote: I post this question here because I have nowhere else to ask it and it's pretty relevant I think. So I've been playing LoL since 2013, very casual play nothing fancy at all. Now however I'm interested in giving this game a real crack at it and play ranked. The problem? It takes soo long time to level. Like, i get 60xp for a 40 minute loss and It'd take me a month at least playing 6-7 hours at that paste. It's ridiculous. Is there anyway to level fast besides blind pick and purchase of xp boost? Buy a level 30 account, they cost like £15. | ||
GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On August 17 2017 17:47 Jan1997 wrote: Thank you so much for the fast reply darkcore. That being said, I must clarify one thing. The reason I'm not lvl 30 after 4 years is because I lost my old account and only have had my current account for about less than a year. I didn't play much until recently. I just didn't explain that in my original post haha :D A friend of mine got his account back after contacting Riot support. You could try that too. | ||
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Norway671 Posts
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Sent.
Poland9330 Posts
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lilwisper
United States2515 Posts
1) How should I focus more on getting farmed up in mid-late game when I fall behind? Should I ignore team fights until I am called upon? 2) I generally build BF into complete crit item into IE. Is this a proper way to build while farming from behind? (I am using twitch and cait at the moment) | ||
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
As an ADC, you do want to farm and get items, especially in lower elos this can make a big difference, having a 50 cs advantage at the 20 minute mark just because you clear waves while the enemy plays ARAM is an easy way to gain a free lead. 1) If you are behind, look at the state of the game. Behind in bot lane tends to mean your tower is down, and theirs is not. That means when you go farm bot, they will either match you, try to kill you or try to take mid tower (funnily enough, no one below diamond swaps top and bot to try and get top tower). You really don't want mid tower to fall for free because people will flame you, and it's also quite a big advantage. On the other hand, playing ARAM only for the mid tower to go down and you to lose 4 waves hitting T2 tower is even worse imo. But the worst thing that can happen is you die again, because then they get free gold, set you behind, and probably will take mid tower too (or kill you're jungler cuz he doesn't know what he's doing). As a side note, if you think your team can win team fights because someone on your team is quite ahead, then grouping is probably a good idea. Especially if you guys have a good pick comp. 2) Depends on the champion, and what you want to accomplish. I think BF SS does more DPS than IE Zeal, but don't quote me on that. The power of IE rush (most likely with Berserker Boots) is that it gives certain champions ridiculous burst. For example, Trist has her Q for more AS, and her abilities scale off AD, so if she gets a full IE 5-stack E plus ult off, then it's probably going to kill a squishy, makes her all in quite good. The real reason people go BF and then AS is because the build path is cheaper and there are more cheap components, that are interchangeable with boots, so if you are forced to go back early you still get a bit of dmg. First buy BF is because it is such a cost effective item, and because it is so expensive, this translates into a big edge over your opponent if they don't get something comparable. Lastly, I wouldn't play Cait unless you are proficient with her. You mention you are not good at csing, that is very bad for Cait, you need to eek out a 10-20 cs advantage or she falls behind in the mid game. Especially because she has been nerfed pretty damn hard, sporting a 44% win rate. Twitch is fine, teaches positioning, and if he gets ahead then he can go really off. If I were you, I'd learn Tristana because she's busted right now. A personal recommendation is Ashe, she's still useful when behind because of her ultimate and she scales incredibly well. | ||
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lilwisper
United States2515 Posts
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docsforsale
United States3 Posts
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rbetenoire
United States28 Posts
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
However, trist mid did seem quite oppressive in a sense. There is a reasonable amount of extra damage coming from her lvl 6 spike. The question is: is a a specific exploitable weakness of marksmen mid generally, or more specifically tristana mid playing as Karma (or more generally a mage)? It feels like trist mid was stronger than it should be. So I probably did something wrong, or did not understand the match-up. Do you just rush armguard, and then wait until you have way more to offer in teamfights? | ||
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dsyxelic
United States1417 Posts
But otherwise it's pretty challenging given trist being a ranged auto attacker with incredible self peel (and karma not really having a kill combo/cc). Early on you could also prob bully a bit. Trist mid's a decent off meta pick, its not really troll. | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
On October 17 2017 06:51 dsyxelic wrote: Thanks! Ill keep those things in mind.Your hope is to get good mantra Q's on the trist since one good one can get her health to like half. But otherwise it's pretty challenging given trist being a ranged auto attacker with incredible self peel (and karma not really having a kill combo/cc). Early on you could also prob bully a bit. Trist mid's a decent off meta pick, its not really troll. | ||
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