EPTTrying the following:
Chalice
-> NLR
-> Fiendish Codex
-> Sell flask for Blasting Wand or go straight to Deathcap
-> Deathcap
-> Athenes
[Champion] Lux - Page 2
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Trying the following: Chalice -> NLR -> Fiendish Codex -> Sell flask for Blasting Wand or go straight to Deathcap -> Deathcap -> Athenes | ||
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
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SidianTheBard
United States2474 Posts
With Ahri I like to be aggressive in lane and try to auto attack the enemy champion as much as possible because if they ever step away from the minions so you can land your E you can do tons of damage. Even at level 2 with only 1 point in Q and E you can still truck them hard if they get hit by it. Unfortunately, Lux dominates early so it doesn't allow you to really do that.  End game I feel they both are strong. Ahri can dive in and out and do tons of consistent damage. Yet lux has the range and safety and yeah, using that Ult every 24 seconds is completely broken. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13925 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On December 11 2012 02:12 Sermokala wrote: anyone got any tips for a madlife style support lux? Don't know about Madlife's style, but generally land Q, throw E behind to zone, auto, detonate E when you feel you should and don't be afraid to KS with ulti. Skill is R>W>E>Q, taking Q, E, W at first levels. | ||
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SidianTheBard
United States2474 Posts
I'd either go QWEQQR, R > Q > E > W or I'd go QWEEER, R > E > Q> W I don't think I'd ever max shield first as support though... /shrug | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Added bits on Mejai's Soulstealer, how to play against Ahri, mids she typically beats fairly easily, and a video of Madlife on support Lux. Looks like Madlife maxes E first. Edit: Actually, in the video he goes Q E W E W R. Kinda interesting. The damage on the second level of E is almost double the first level so maybe he gets E to level 2 and then maxes W? | ||
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YouGotNothin
United States907 Posts
On December 11 2012 03:08 SidianTheBard wrote: Does he really max his shield first? I figure as a lux lane you're not trying to shield damage to sustain in lane but you should level up your damage skills to win the poke wars to be able to win your lane. Usually I only get 1 point in shield and keep it that way until Q and E are maxed. Some games I've Max Q first just to get it a shorter cooldown and it's less mana then your E so you can spam it more often. Some games I Max E first just because it's much more reliable damage. Maybe I'm just a bad lux support but I feel you're much more scary in lane if the enemy fears you, rather then doing mediocre damage but giving that bigger shield. I'd either go QWEQQR, R > Q > E > W or I'd go QWEEER, R > E > Q> W I don't think I'd ever max shield first as support though... /shrug Yes I go QWEEER as support, the shield is also a skill shot, and for some reason I have a harder time reading my teammates movements than my opponents. E is great for long range harass and checking/clearing bushes which I really like. Also as far as the Mid Lux is concerned why is chalice a must item? I usually prefer to build more damage and rely on blue buff for my mana regen needs. I must say though if I for some reason don't get blue buff, things kind of suck. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
Other reasons: 1) I start Flask + Farie Charm + 2 pots so the charm builds quickly into Chalice. 2) I use Flat mana regen seals which also synergize well with % increase from Chalice. 3) I am going to upgrade the Chalice anyway for the CDR% mid/late game. 4) Blue buff is not perfectly reliable; its not always active, can be stolen by the enemy, is lost upon death, and I like to let mana heavy junglers (Amumu) have it early game when they are on my team. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On December 11 2012 04:12 YouGotNothin wrote: Also as far as the Mid Lux is concerned why is chalice a must item? I usually prefer to build more damage and rely on blue buff for my mana regen needs. I must say though if I for some reason don't get blue buff, things kind of suck. If you're not constantly out of mana with just a chalice and no blue buff, you aren't harassing the enemy mid enough. Which means if you don't have a chalice, you don't have enough mana to harass the enemy mid as much as you're supposed to. Further, with no chalice you don't have enough mana to do wraiths. Additionally, you can think of the MR chalice gives as being like bonus damage vs. the enemy mid. If you two are trading and he has 25 AP and you have 25 MR, you're going to win if all else is equal. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13925 Posts
That being said she had insane range and wicked bush abuse. Trades are really hard to win against her and she can really scale well to the late game with silly poke ability and initate. | ||
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dae
Canada1600 Posts
When you invest into a Chalice it makes your earlygame so much less scary, as instead with a blasting wand you can very nearly 100-0 most mids. Building pure damage also makes it so your shield shields for alot more, and when you catch someone you can actually kill them. For mana regen, I use flat mp5 yellows, the mp5 from util tier 1, and start with flask faerie and just sit on the faerie until I build Morellos. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/UPn7G.png) Games from 2000->2050 elo Edit: 2.5k=/2050 >.< | ||
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Cheap0
United States540 Posts
On January 02 2013 04:20 dae wrote: So after playing Lux alot, I've come to the conclusion that Athenes is garbage on her, morellos is amazing, and build pure damage (deathcap/void/morello's) is the best way to go for both support and mid Lux. (support lux you get a sightstone first). When you invest into a Chalice it makes your earlygame so much less scary, as instead with a blasting wand you can very nearly 100-0 most mids. Building pure damage also makes it so your shield shields for alot more, and when you catch someone you can actually kill them. For mana regen, I use flat mp5 yellows, the mp5 from util tier 1, and start with flask faerie and just sit on the faerie until I build Morellos. + Show Spoiler + Games from 2000->2050 elo Edit: 2.5k=/2050 >.< I can't really jump to any conclusions since I'd need to do testing first, but I kind of feel the same way about Chalice. I feel like 60 AP for 2800 gold is pretty iffy. Yea, the spammability is nice, but if I can get sufficient mana without chalice, I'd definitely like to avoid building it since Morello's provides much better stats. You get 15 more AP, 5% more CDR, Grievous Wounds, and build out of Kage's for 600 gold less. Once lane ends, I'd rather have Morello's than Athene's. I don't know, I like the idea of skipping chalice, I'd just have to see how it works since I've basically been going chalice every game on Lux. The MR is nice though. | ||
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dae
Canada1600 Posts
On January 02 2013 06:34 Cheap0 wrote: I can't really jump to any conclusions since I'd need to do testing first, but I kind of feel the same way about Chalice. I feel like 60 AP for 2800 gold is pretty iffy. Yea, the spammability is nice, but if I can get sufficient mana without chalice, I'd definitely like to avoid building it since Morello's provides much better stats. You get 15 more AP, 5% more CDR, Grievous Wounds, and build out of Kage's for 600 gold less. Once lane ends, I'd rather have Morello's than Athene's. I don't know, I like the idea of skipping chalice, I'd just have to see how it works since I've basically been going chalice every game on Lux. The MR is nice though. If you have to back alot, flask is pretty much enough mana. I really havnt had a game where I didnt get any blues though, so it's hard to say what that would feel like. The amount of flat mp5 i have at lvl 1 is pretty strong, plus flask gives alot of mana. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Just looking at it from a numbers standpoint, Athenes appears to be much better on paper. It's 60 AP vs 75 AP, but the additional 40 MR will make up for it in a trading scenario vs. the enemy mid. The 5% extra CDR is not going to be used all the time because it will overlap with blue buff and etc. It's not bad but not super desirable either. The Morello's passive proc will obviously be much better vs. some team compositions than others. I imagine it's either extremely effective or somewhat irrelevant depending on the game. With the regen Seals they've got roughly the same MP5 not counting Athenes passive, but that means you can't get HP/level Seals and are missing out on 175 HP. So basically the differences we're talking about are the following: With Athenes +40 MR +175 HP +Athenes Passive With Morellos +15 AP +5% CDR (Will take you over cap with blue buff) +Morellos Passive A big saving grace though would definitely be the cheaper cost to Morellos, which will get you into your mid game dominating phase a minute or two earlier, which is really where Lux shines the most. I am interested and I will try it out. What masteries/summoners/etc do you use? | ||
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dae
Canada1600 Posts
On January 02 2013 08:44 Ketara wrote: That's an interesting idea. I'll have to give it a try. Just looking at it from a numbers standpoint, Athenes appears to be much better on paper. It's 60 AP vs 75 AP, but the additional 40 MR will make up for it in a trading scenario vs. the enemy mid. The 5% extra CDR is not going to be used all the time because it will overlap with blue buff and etc. It's not bad but not super desirable either. The Morello's passive proc will obviously be much better vs. some team compositions than others. I imagine it's either extremely effective or somewhat irrelevant depending on the game. With the regen Seals they've got roughly the same MP5 not counting Athenes passive, but that means you can't get HP/level Seals and are missing out on 175 HP. So basically the differences we're talking about are the following: With Athenes +40 MR +175 HP +Athenes Passive With Morellos +15 AP +5% CDR (Will take you over cap with blue buff) +Morellos Passive A big saving grace though would definitely be the cheaper cost to Morellos, which will get you into your mid game dominating phase a minute or two earlier, which is really where Lux shines the most. I am interested and I will try it out. What masteries/summoners/etc do you use? Trading scenarios with the other mid are irrelevant - either you hit a snare and get a shitton of damage for free, or you dont and you just e harass - lux outranges pretty much every mid. The extra damage from deathcap first does way better in trades then athenes. Its also not 1-1 comparision, because you would usually get athenes first, and morellos is always 3rd (or 2nd if they have literally 0 mr on their team) item. the fact that morellos is so cheap to build already having 200g of it from level 1, an the rest of it being almost as cheap as void staff just makes it flow so easily. Runes are just mr/mp5/magic pen/flat ap quints, masteries 21/0/9. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Rushing Athenes costs 2800g and gives you: 60 AP (63 w. masteries) 40 MR 15 MP5 15% CDR Mana Font passive An NLR and a Chalice costs 2480g and gives you: 80 AP (84 w. masteries) 25 MR 7 MP5 Mana Font passive A little farther down the road, we have the following comparisons: An Athenes and an NLR costs 4400g and gives you: 140 AP (147 w. masteries) 40 MR 15 MP5 15% CDR Mana Font passive A Deathcap and a Chalice costs 4080g and gives you: 120 AP (156 w. dcap etc) 25 MR 7 MP5 Mana Font passive An NLR, Blasting Wand, Chalice and a Fiendish Codex costs 4340g and gives you: 150 AP (157.5 w. masteries) 25 MR 13 MP5 10% CDR Mana Font passive The current order I'm doing on Lux, which I think is mathematically the most efficient way to do it, is: Faerie Charm Start -> Chalice -> NLR -> Fiendish Codex -> Blasting Wand / Finish Deathcap -> Finish Athenes What I like most about this is that right around the Fiendish Codex stage if I am forced to back a little strapped for cash, I can get parts of the Fiendish Codex instead of sitting on 500-600 gold. If I have just enough gold to finish the Deathcap (the diff between that 4k and 4.3k) I'll get the Deathcap, though. I tried a game with Morellos, and just found myself very vulnerable. I ran out of mana whenever I didn't have blue buff even with the MP5 Seals and Morellos, which cost me at least one kill, and I could feel not having the early MR. I got Morellos second though instead of third. I will do some more testing, but I do want everybody to know that when you do go Athenes, don't get Athenes first anymore. Sit on that Chalice. It'd be really nice if Athenes had like, 10-15 more AP, and less regen. It really does give Lux more regen than she needs. But she does need quite a bit. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On December 11 2012 04:19 ticklishmusic wrote: I like maxxing W first because it's a flat mana cost for a shield that gets better with level. Lux Q is like Blitz grab: great CC, decent damage, but really heavy mana cost and cooldown. My thought process is that these skill shot types are great when you can land them, but the mere threat of them is good as well. W means you outtrade, and you can depend on passive procs to add damage to your combo. The funny thing about your analogy is that you actually do max Q first on Blitz. Does anyone have any real info on how madlife plays support Lux? Maxing W seems really stupid because they're never going to break both parts of the shield anyway so you might as well put out more damage. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
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