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[Champion] Ryze - Page 6
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AsnSensation
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Sandster
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nosliw
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Alaric
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zer0das
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AsnSensation
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if you really wanna start with a tear component you can start flash+faeri charm+2 pots. | ||
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Shiv.
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On December 20 2012 04:12 zer0das wrote: Personally I find starting flask super underwhelming. If you start mana crystal first, it is so easy to get a tear on your back. Or a catalyst, since the combine cost is reduced. Though I guess they made the stats on catalyst a lot worse.. hm. It might be the scrubelo I am currently playing in, but on Ryze, I agree. I would rather have 2 more Qs, farm 300 gold and possibly use my first teleport for straight going to lane after buying tear, because the sooner you have Muramana, the better, at least on my page of the book. | ||
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Phrost
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arb
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On December 20 2012 07:48 Phrost wrote: oh wow, muramana effects his Q/W? Well... I might be getting that more often... I was building tear into regular ryze stuff till it was maxed then turned it into muramana. an extra like 250 damage on his Q and W is really obnoxious truthfully | ||
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
On December 20 2012 07:57 arb wrote: I was building tear into regular ryze stuff till it was maxed then turned it into muramana. an extra like 250 damage on his Q and W is really obnoxious truthfully yeah that sounds awesome! It's not like he needs mana at that point anyway, the extra mana burned is negligible. | ||
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-Zoda-
France3578 Posts
I seems to me that it could add some good CC to him and it builds directly from Glacial Shroud and since Frozen Heart aura is unique, it could be a waste if someone on your team already gets it. | ||
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SidianTheBard
United States2475 Posts
Flask + wards/pots > tear > cata > BV or Glacial > Manamura > Frozen Heart is basically how I end up building my Ryze. I'll put Boots1 either after tear or cata depending mainly on my jungler and the enemy jungler. Boots 2 I get after Manamura unless my tear stacking is sucking then I do it after Glacial. | ||
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nosliw
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gerd1022
United States58 Posts
On December 20 2012 10:01 Phrost wrote: yeah that sounds awesome! It's not like he needs mana at that point anyway, the extra mana burned is negligible. the mana cost is not quite negligible, it adds a 3%of current mana cost to your spells and autoattacks, not a flat rate, so it consumes your mana quite fast, and when you have in the thousands of total mana, mana regen (which is flat regen without chalice) is pretty small. also, if you forget to toggle it off and autoattack creeps for awhile, you will find yourself OOM really quickly. | ||
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Thereisnosaurus
Australia1822 Posts
I still think Frozen Heart is better, I mean when are you ever going to be auto attacking with Ryze anyway? You're Q is going to be up all the time and if you have downtime you should be repositioning yourself in team fights rather then auto attacking. I dunno, since manamune is core on him you're getting over 2000 gold worth of AD (manamune and one other mana item gets you around 55 ad, before being fully stacked). Combined with a sheen buff slotting in an AA every 2-3 seconds can be pretty damn nasty especially when dueling AP or AD carries. | ||
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h3r1n6
Iceland2039 Posts
On December 20 2012 11:05 nosliw wrote: RoA no longer core on him? Flask makes the Catalyst a little bit redundant, it's still good though. New Banshees is quite good too. So there is a bit less reason to go RoA, it's still really good though. Right now I'd say the only real core item is the Manamune (no idea how to spell the upgrade) I kind of wanna update the op soonish, but then again there will probably be more pre-season balancing. I'm not sure if they want the Manamune Ryze to stay that way. | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On December 20 2012 11:39 Thereisnosaurus wrote: I dunno, since manamune is core on him you're getting over 2000 gold worth of AD (manamune and one other mana item gets you around 55 ad, before being fully stacked). Combined with a sheen buff slotting in an AA every 2-3 seconds can be pretty damn nasty especially when dueling AP or AD carries. Sheen scales off base AD though, so even though the free AD you get makes you want to AA more, Sheen itself doesn't become better. Sure, you can fit in autos between spell rotations, but IBG only adds 130 damage onto that. You already do so much damage with Muramane I'd rather just be even tankier and unkillable. Of course if someone else on the team is picking up a FH then maybe Iceborne becomes more attractive. | ||
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
edit: Ok yea just went Manamune. Holy shiet | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
And BTW, Frozen Heart's additional CDR puts you at 30% with no other items or masteries. 25% is a pretty underwhelming, comparitively, when Ryze is such a CDR-whore. You NEED to max CDR on him. Non-optional. As-is, it's a little awkward getting the last 6-10% without just popping blue elixirs or whoring bluebuff longer than you REALLY need it (no more CDR from defense tree =( With the old masteries, once I finished FH, I'd forego blue entirely, passing it off to whoever else on my team uses it effectively. 26% CDR (assuming 1/4 on cdr mastery - butcher is too useful for someone who sucks at autos but needs to auto to CS early game) leaves you short of being able to blue elixir to cap CDR. Seems really awkward. | ||
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nosliw
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