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On February 28 2012 23:48 sob3k wrote:
Ok, I played like 12 games of Fizz yesterday, I tried the tanky onhit build and the assassin AP, and while the tanky onhit works ok I feel like I would rather be playing some other bruiser like WW or GP or tanky panth. The AP build is just nuts damage and I do well diving people and getting out without getting hit.
I go standard boots/2doran/sheen/Dcap/Lich, then I usually feel like I want some serious survivability, but I'm not sure what to buy..... What is a good survivability item for fizz?
I've tried:
Rylais: I already do plenty of damage and dont really have an issue sticking on people, 500 health and paying for tons more ap and slow isnt really optimal
Frozen Mallet: I hit them so ad isnt wasted, but the item is just kinda inefficient in general if you dont REALLY need the slow, and like I said, I dont
Bveil: I like this one alot, spellshield plus trollpole is real neat, but the health is really low, if the shield get popped before I go in then I feel like I just wasted my money.
Warmogs: Too expensive and takes too long to stack when I would get it. Havent actually tried it but doesnt seem so great.
What do you guys think is the best survivability item is for Fizz?
And thats the problem with Fizz. Either build path, you end up with the "SHIT WHY CANT I JUST HAVE BOTH AT ONCE" feeling at the end of the game. The itemization for fizz just doesnt exist in the game.
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Only in normals but had success at bot with an AD range. Once you get hit 3 can do constant harass. Good times.
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On February 29 2012 00:22 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 23:48 sob3k wrote:
Ok, I played like 12 games of Fizz yesterday, I tried the tanky onhit build and the assassin AP, and while the tanky onhit works ok I feel like I would rather be playing some other bruiser like WW or GP or tanky panth. The AP build is just nuts damage and I do well diving people and getting out without getting hit.
I go standard boots/2doran/sheen/Dcap/Lich, then I usually feel like I want some serious survivability, but I'm not sure what to buy..... What is a good survivability item for fizz?
I've tried:
Rylais: I already do plenty of damage and dont really have an issue sticking on people, 500 health and paying for tons more ap and slow isnt really optimal
Frozen Mallet: I hit them so ad isnt wasted, but the item is just kinda inefficient in general if you dont REALLY need the slow, and like I said, I dont
Bveil: I like this one alot, spellshield plus trollpole is real neat, but the health is really low, if the shield get popped before I go in then I feel like I just wasted my money.
Warmogs: Too expensive and takes too long to stack when I would get it. Havent actually tried it but doesnt seem so great.
What do you guys think is the best survivability item is for Fizz?
And thats the problem with Fizz. Either build path, you end up with the "SHIT WHY CANT I JUST HAVE BOTH AT ONCE" feeling at the end of the game. The itemization for fizz just doesnt exist in the game.
1. Merc Treads 2. Wit's End 3. Frozen Mallet 4. Banshee Veil 5. Void Staff 6. Guardian Angel 7. Sell Wit's-> Madred's?
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On February 29 2012 12:25 seppolevne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 29 2012 00:22 Two_DoWn wrote:On February 28 2012 23:48 sob3k wrote:
Ok, I played like 12 games of Fizz yesterday, I tried the tanky onhit build and the assassin AP, and while the tanky onhit works ok I feel like I would rather be playing some other bruiser like WW or GP or tanky panth. The AP build is just nuts damage and I do well diving people and getting out without getting hit.
I go standard boots/2doran/sheen/Dcap/Lich, then I usually feel like I want some serious survivability, but I'm not sure what to buy..... What is a good survivability item for fizz?
I've tried:
Rylais: I already do plenty of damage and dont really have an issue sticking on people, 500 health and paying for tons more ap and slow isnt really optimal
Frozen Mallet: I hit them so ad isnt wasted, but the item is just kinda inefficient in general if you dont REALLY need the slow, and like I said, I dont
Bveil: I like this one alot, spellshield plus trollpole is real neat, but the health is really low, if the shield get popped before I go in then I feel like I just wasted my money.
Warmogs: Too expensive and takes too long to stack when I would get it. Havent actually tried it but doesnt seem so great.
What do you guys think is the best survivability item is for Fizz?
And thats the problem with Fizz. Either build path, you end up with the "SHIT WHY CANT I JUST HAVE BOTH AT ONCE" feeling at the end of the game. The itemization for fizz just doesnt exist in the game. 1. Merc Treads 2. Wit's End 3. Frozen Mallet 4. Banshee Veil 5. Void Staff 6. Guardian Angel 7. Sell Wit's-> Madred's?
Wriggles, wits, Mallet, Atmas, madreds, some negatron item. Triforce works very well as well.
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I'm playing Fizz a lot right now an usually I am jungling.
My Masteries are 21/9/0 with both armor- and magicpenetration in Offense, I also use sprint over flash.
Just do usual jungleroute and max W, get wriggles + triforce+ witts end. Thats your core, after that you can go with whatever you want.
Some good items are Warmogs + Atmas if you want to go really tanky, otherwise get a Gunblade for insane burstdmg.
I never lost so far with this build, ganking with red + W is just insane dotdmg and you usually always get a kill with it.
Try it and have fun 
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On March 01 2012 11:01 Vallelol wrote:I'm playing Fizz a lot right now an usually I am jungling. My Masteries are 21/9/0 with both armor- and magicpenetration in Offense, I also use sprint over flash. Just do usual jungleroute and max W, get wriggles + triforce+ witts end. Thats your core, after that you can go with whatever you want. Some good items are Warmogs + Atmas if you want to go really tanky, otherwise get a Gunblade for insane burstdmg. I never lost so far with this build, ganking with red + W is just insane dotdmg and you usually always get a kill with it. Try it and have fun
What are your runes? And def masteries?
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On March 02 2012 02:50 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 11:01 Vallelol wrote:I'm playing Fizz a lot right now an usually I am jungling. My Masteries are 21/9/0 with both armor- and magicpenetration in Offense, I also use sprint over flash. Just do usual jungleroute and max W, get wriggles + triforce+ witts end. Thats your core, after that you can go with whatever you want. Some good items are Warmogs + Atmas if you want to go really tanky, otherwise get a Gunblade for insane burstdmg. I never lost so far with this build, ganking with red + W is just insane dotdmg and you usually always get a kill with it. Try it and have fun What are your runes? And def masteries?
My runes are:
Red: flat ad
Yellow: flat armor
Blue: flat MR
Quints: ArmorPen (Really don't know if they are good, but it works out really well so far)
I usually get a strong leash and can gank right after I finished off Lizard with 2 HP Potions left
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Cq9BN.png)
(sorry, screwed up the screenshot before)
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there is no way that the 10% mpen mastery isn't worth it when you already have 4 in the cooldown prerequisite
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that's one of the saddest looking mastery allocations I've ever seen... you make a bunch of bad mastery choices bro 
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oh lol i just missclicked the magicpen thingy, had to made them new for the screen, rest is still the same. Dunno why you think its sad, but just try it and tell again :D
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On March 02 2012 05:11 Vallelol wrote:
oh lol i just missclicked the magicpen thingy, had to made them new for the screen, rest is still the same. Dunno why you think its sad, but just try it and tell again :D
well, I would advocate something like this:
http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/mastery-tree-planner#&tree1=0-3-0-1-4-4-0-0-1-1-0-0-3-0-3-0-1&tree2=1-2-3-2-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0&tree3=0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0&v=2
not sure what summoner is making you want the offensive summoner buff, but I would take smite flash and just skip that mastery or alternately just skip butcher and put it in there if you feel comfy with ignite or exhaust as your 2nd summoner.
bladed armor is very mediocre and I'd suggest indomitable or going the veteran's scar's path over it if you really feel like you need the defensive tree, though I'd personally probably just go 21/0/9 and take improved flash, max mana, movespeed, and improved buff duration in utility. The HP regen masteries is also really really bad.
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On March 02 2012 05:25 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 05:11 Vallelol wrote:
oh lol i just missclicked the magicpen thingy, had to made them new for the screen, rest is still the same. Dunno why you think its sad, but just try it and tell again :D well, I would advocate something like this: http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/mastery-tree-planner#&tree1=0-3-0-1-4-4-0-0-1-1-0-0-3-0-3-0-1&tree2=1-2-3-2-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0&tree3=0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0&v=2not sure what summoner is making you want the offensive summoner buff, but I would take smite flash and just skip that mastery or alternately just skip butcher and put it in there if you feel comfy with ignite or exhaust as your 2nd summoner. bladed armor is very mediocre and I'd suggest indomitable or going the veteran's scar's path over it if you really feel like you need the defensive tree, though I'd personally probably just go 21/0/9 and take improved flash, max mana, movespeed, and improved buff duration in utility. The HP regen masteries is also really really bad.
yeah posted the correct masteries now, just messed up when posting the screen. I use Ghost over Flash, thats why i got the point in there
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I tried and I did well except mid fed veigar and he instagibbed me as priority target. So we lose but I will try it again.
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I prefer a 9-21-0 or 0-21-9 on jungle fizz because you can basically get it so that minions cant hurt you. Plus if you are going on hit you need to be in enemies anyway, so extra basic tank stats are welcome.
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I've been playing lots of fizz recently and I'm pretty sure that bruiser fizz loses top to pretty much anyone and it's very hard to recover when he falls behind. I'm liking tanky RoA AP fizz though.
He has nothing to keep people away so he gets harassed easily so sustain is a major issue. If you can actually get someone to get into an auto battle with you you'll trade well, but anyone with a burst ability like warwick's Q or tiger udyr can just get free harass on you while you can't do anything to them.
He's great at helping out when the jungler comes to gank but I mean cmon this is solo queue.
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I just bough Fizz 2 days ago, and I suck at him lol. Right now I want to play AP, I can get kills but I feel that I am contributing to my team as much as I do if I play other AP.
I go 21/9, standard AP runes. Boot 3 pots then d-rings, RoA or DC rush if I can farm much early games or get some kills. The fact that he has to jump right in to the enemy team in order to do damage is what trouble me. How do you guys play him? Just charge in with your team, find the easiest target and nuke him down? Then get out when get focus the go in again?
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I think he's a really good tanky AP 'bruiser'.
RoA>Chain vest>negatron>abyssal or zhonya. But I dunno I stopped playing him. I'll pick him up again soon.
He does nice damage without needing a ton of AP.
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Ruken, try fizz top as a counter counter pick. He doesn't do well against a lot of common top laners but he destroys the guys that destroy normal tops. Fizz le poops on ryze vlad malph etc top
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On March 06 2012 02:50 Caphe wrote:
I just bough Fizz 2 days ago, and I suck at him lol. Right now I want to play AP, I can get kills but I feel that I am contributing to my team as much as I do if I play other AP.
I go 21/9, standard AP runes. Boot 3 pots then d-rings, RoA or DC rush if I can farm much early games or get some kills. The fact that he has to jump right in to the enemy team in order to do damage is what trouble me. How do you guys play him? Just charge in with your team, find the easiest target and nuke him down? Then get out when get focus the go in again?
Nah, you gotta play him like an assasin, never charge in WITH your team unless you are overpoweringly stronger than them. You should just skirt around the edges and see if you can pick off exposed people, if you cant then make sure the fight has already started and first rounds of CC are already used. You can use your ult to help initiate though, but dont follow it in instantly.
Fizz 87560875% stronger cleaning up and fighting 1v1/1v2 separated from the main fight, as you can actually see whats coming at you and dodge it.
On March 06 2012 12:45 gtrsrs wrote:
Ruken, try fizz top as a counter counter pick. He doesn't do well against a lot of common top laners but he destroys the guys that destroy normal tops. Fizz le poops on ryze vlad malph etc top
I would definitely not counterpick Ryze with Fizz, its a pretty even match in lane with Ryze not able to stop you before you hit him with snare, but if he has any experience playing vs Fizz he will play very safe and just sit back farming. You shouldnt be able to kill him....and lategame Ryze will be a goddamn nightmare to you and your entire team, including Fizz.
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@sob3k: Yeah, that makes alot of sense, I just play a game today when I clean up after team fight 2 times and net myself 4 kills. I will try to do what you said more.
Maybe the habit of jungling with VoiliBear and Shyvana carry over :D.
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