EPT[Champion] Fizz - Page 3
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
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SoraLimit
Canada747 Posts
Hell I agree with the guy who said you can build anything and he would still be OP. I've been trying builds even phreaks build. I'm just confused why people don't play him more often. :p | ||
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
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Promises
Netherlands1821 Posts
1) Early (pre 4-6) laning. Somehow people havent been doing this to me when I play Fizz but when I play against one I just shit on him till he reaches level 4-6 (depending on my champ). Now you might say this is fairly fast, but I mean SHIT on him. Nowhere near minions, behind the tower shit on. 2) Midgame hard CC. Sure, if people are foolish enough to blow all if it on you when you still have your trident-hop up it's not so much of a worry, but a welltimed stun either when comming in or when just ending the hop usually means death. 3) Endgame.While the bunny-hop is certainly a good tool, a team who knows what they'r doing will still blow you up immediatly after, since you'll most likely be in a position a squishy AP really has no place being in. I often find myself arriving at the endgame with a comfortable score and item-lead only to find myself easily focussed down as soon as I so much as dare to jump in. That said, Fizz is awesome, awesome fun to play. I still want to try to make him work out of the jungle since his ganks are good and (provided you've got enough beef in your team) he really works best in addition to another AP imo. If someone has found a good consistent way to make him works and/or some tips on that I'm all ears =) | ||
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Promises
Netherlands1821 Posts
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
On January 27 2012 05:28 Ryuu314 wrote: Fizz laning is iffy. He's inherently squishy with no sustain. Ranged champs or champs with spam able range harass poop on him since you can't retaliate or dodge all harass while bein mana efficient. Fizz does pretty well against some melee champs tho Fizz's base HP and HP per level is the same as Riven's and above average. He has 2 less armor, but that's it, even the scaling MR is there. His passive reduces the damages even further, I wouldn't call that "inherently squishy". | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On January 27 2012 07:23 BluzMan wrote: Fizz's base HP and HP per level is the same as Riven's and above average. He has 2 less armor, but that's it, even the scaling MR is there. His passive reduces the damages even further, I wouldn't call that "inherently squishy". You can't really compare him to Riven considering how Riven gets a no mana cost 1.0 AD-scaling shield while having insane mobility at no cost. Fizz's survivability is completely dependent on his E, which can be very mana inefficient in the vast majority of damage trades. | ||
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
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Shiv.
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On January 27 2012 18:32 BluzMan wrote: Remove Riven from the above post and leave just the "above average". Twitch is inherently squishy. Fizz is not. Not inherently. He is. You either escape using E or die within a hard CC. Even if his base HP is relatively high, he needs to stay in melee range to deal any significant damage or last hit and he generally does not build any resistances before Lich Bane. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On January 27 2012 18:32 BluzMan wrote: Remove Riven from the above post and leave just the "above average". Twitch is inherently squishy. Fizz is not. Not inherently. Fizz is definitely not above average in the survivability department; especially not early game laning phase. He's average at best; slightly below average at worst in terms of survivability. In terms of both base HP and base armor he scores average and below average respectively. His survivability stat growth is okay. Fizz has above average HP/lvl, far below average armor/lvl, and above average mr/lvl. Here are all champ stats if you care to look for yourself: http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Base_champion_statistics | ||
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NEOtheONE
United States2233 Posts
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
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anmolsinghmzn2009
India1783 Posts
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On February 10 2012 12:42 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote: Man I don't really know about this champion. I think to buy him then see you guys talking of his bad earlygame and inherent squishiness. But then I see come fizz go like 16/3/10 for 5 games in a row. I'm really confused if I should buy him - he looks so fun. His early laning is weak, if you manage to get past that, you have a champ... a) with insane killing potential post 6 b) that is relatively highly reliant on kills to snowball c) when ahead in lane, gets REALLY ahead in lane d) who has the mobility to roam around and gank well f) that is able to carry a team g) that takes a while to figure out how to play in teamfights. If you don't mind any of these things, pick him up! He's severely underplayed right now, and while he has quite a few bad laning matchups, I'd say he's a sleeper waiting to be discovered. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On February 10 2012 18:39 Shiv. wrote: His early laning is weak, if you manage to get past that, you have a champ... a) with insane killing potential post 6 b) that is relatively highly reliant on kills to snowball c) when ahead in lane, gets REALLY ahead in lane d) who has the mobility to roam around and gank well f) that is able to carry a team g) that takes a while to figure out how to play in teamfights. If you don't mind any of these things, pick him up! He's severely underplayed right now, and while he has quite a few bad laning matchups, I'd say he's a sleeper waiting to be discovered. I've played vs Fizz a few times and I think he should just be comboed with maokai for essentially a kill lane mid. He just cannot keep up with CS and gets zoned by longer ranged mids, but he retains the ability to just output insane burst and rarely actually dies in lane (E too good for dodging ults). Definetly an interesting mid, played about 4 games as Xerath against him, doubling or tripling his CS, but just could not kill him or even get aggressive or face instant death. Got frustrated trying to go for kills first game and ended up feeding him 4 kills mid...should have been content with 130 vs 55 cs. I learned my lesson. A nasty CC jungle like Mao or WW would just be ridiculous with him. | ||
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