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MaestroSC
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2073 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-12 10:23:15
March 12 2012 10:19 GMT
#61
I run Olaf with Movespeed quints. Attack speed reds. Armor yellows. and MR blues.

I like to run 1/21/8 because i like the bonus movement/mana from utility. (more q spam and faster.) (and i run ignite/ghost so i want the mastery for ignite bonus)

I think movespeed/attackspeed is a must because it lets you build straight into whatever items you wanted without getting a Zeal or some other attack speed modifier in items. (but in team fights u NEED to be able to burst down one of them at least when u ult = u need some attack speed= more hits while ur W and R and are up).

With skipping any attack speed items and sticking to tier 1 boots for a bit longer u an rush straight to more tankier items that will let u spam E more often, at less risk to urself. Also when I dont have Mastery points in the offense tree i lose the +4% attack speed, so i get that in my runes so i can get utility

I also like to get 2 lvls of q. one of w. then I max e and get points in my ult whenever possible. Olaf's E will make you an absolute TERROR the earlier u max it out. And as solo top, with level advantage over the other team most often, your E becomes quite a force to be reckoned with and feared esepecially by the Caster, support, or Ad carry all of whom will have significantly low hp when you max this skill.

Also i think Olaf stomps irelia in lane. She is mostly all sustain in lower levels and her sustain comes from hitting creeps. When she comes in for a CS use your Q and E and she will NEVER out-trade u damage wise in melee range.

And Olaf snowballs SO HARD (into the midgame at least). Once you get the advantage over her its an easy lane.

Whenever i get Olaf top I level Q, W, E, Q, E, R, ... max E then max Q. getting points in R whenever possible.

Also hitting W before you Q will add a lot of bonus damage to ur Axe throw so make sure you hit it before you go to trade blows with whoever is laning against you. And with E you should never lose a quick damage exchange whenever they come in to last hit against you.
Ghost-z
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1291 Posts
March 26 2012 20:58 GMT
#62
How are people building Olaf now that Riot introduced the new item "Maw of Malmortis" since it seems to perfectly snyergize with Olaf's passive?

Wriggles > Boots 2 > Warmogs > MoM > Atmas > Randuins

I'm new to Olaf but this seems to be most effective from what I can tell and its flexible because against AD you can get chain vest sooner (atmas) or against AP get hexdrinker (MoM). Actually any of those last four items can be built in any order depending on your playstyle but since I max E first I want the health from warmogs and since E doesn't scale I'm not losing out on any dps while rushing warmogs
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SHr3DD3r
Profile Joined March 2009
Pakistan2137 Posts
March 26 2012 21:43 GMT
#63
Instead of Randuins, Frozen Mallet would be good too.

I tried out WW Yamatocannon's dps Olaf build a few times, where I maxed Q. Was hilarious. Dbladex2+Brut+Hex+phage into whatever you want after.
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Ghost-z
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1291 Posts
March 27 2012 02:02 GMT
#64
Randuins has a better slow proc late game for a final item imo. And the numbers on mallet vs warmogs are very close but extra hp i like better with his passive.
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Elite00fm
Profile Joined January 2008
United States548 Posts
March 27 2012 19:20 GMT
#65
Who beats olaf top? I've been trashing everyone so far by being super aggressive and maxing E first.
Therapist.
Profile Joined January 2009
United States207 Posts
March 27 2012 19:34 GMT
#66
On March 28 2012 04:20 Elite00fm wrote:
Who beats olaf top? I've been trashing everyone so far by being super aggressive and maxing E first.


Characters with a shield or good range should be just fine. Someone like Udyr/Sion would basically be unscathed by Olaf. Mundo would also be fine due to his slowing and his massive heal and just the fact that he builds health, which counters true damage anyway. Probably Mordekaiser would be very strong as well.

I imagine Vladimir or Swain would be particularly good against him due to their huge sustain. Warwick as well. Cassiopeia for her insane range.

Definitely I agree that Olaf is a ridiculously good counter to the normal top lane "tank" characters and a strong laner overall. I think it's difficult to truly "counter" him because gets a huge amount of sustain with a wriggles and his W. And lifesteal works well with his passive. <3 Olaf.
GoSuChicken
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany1726 Posts
March 27 2012 19:49 GMT
#67
On March 28 2012 04:20 Elite00fm wrote:
Who beats olaf top? I've been trashing everyone so far by being super aggressive and maxing E first.

Me too, I actually almost never get W in lane, because i really like the stronger Q. Olaf is really strong, at least in my low elo
NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-31 08:19:05
March 31 2012 08:13 GMT
#68
How do you guys go vs WW? Just played and felt like there was nothing I could do vs him : /

I guess something like Doran shield with 9/21 and flat MR runes works well?
Get huge or die mirin | Diamond on LoL
daSilvaz
Profile Joined June 2011
809 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-31 11:31:47
March 31 2012 11:31 GMT
#69
On March 28 2012 04:34 Therapist. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 04:20 Elite00fm wrote:
Who beats olaf top? I've been trashing everyone so far by being super aggressive and maxing E first.


Characters with a shield or good range should be just fine. Someone like Udyr/Sion would basically be unscathed by Olaf. Mundo would also be fine due to his slowing and his massive heal and just the fact that he builds health, which counters true damage anyway. Probably Mordekaiser would be very strong as well.

I imagine Vladimir or Swain would be particularly good against him due to their huge sustain. Warwick as well. Cassiopeia for her insane range.

Definitely I agree that Olaf is a ridiculously good counter to the normal top lane "tank" characters and a strong laner overall. I think it's difficult to truly "counter" him because gets a huge amount of sustain with a wriggles and his W. And lifesteal works well with his passive. <3 Olaf.


That is a myth, i once saw hsgg underestimate olaf as udyr and get completly trashed 5-0 in lane.
NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
March 31 2012 16:30 GMT
#70
On March 31 2012 20:31 daSilvaz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 04:34 Therapist. wrote:
On March 28 2012 04:20 Elite00fm wrote:
Who beats olaf top? I've been trashing everyone so far by being super aggressive and maxing E first.


Characters with a shield or good range should be just fine. Someone like Udyr/Sion would basically be unscathed by Olaf. Mundo would also be fine due to his slowing and his massive heal and just the fact that he builds health, which counters true damage anyway. Probably Mordekaiser would be very strong as well.

I imagine Vladimir or Swain would be particularly good against him due to their huge sustain. Warwick as well. Cassiopeia for her insane range.

Definitely I agree that Olaf is a ridiculously good counter to the normal top lane "tank" characters and a strong laner overall. I think it's difficult to truly "counter" him because gets a huge amount of sustain with a wriggles and his W. And lifesteal works well with his passive. <3 Olaf.


That is a myth, i once saw hsgg underestimate olaf as udyr and get completly trashed 5-0 in lane.

Haven't seen an Olaf lose to udyr, unless you got camped really hard. Olaf just retardedly strong atm.
Get huge or die mirin | Diamond on LoL
GoSuChicken
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany1726 Posts
April 03 2012 13:56 GMT
#71
Does anyone know who is able to beat Olaf in lane? I haven't played against him yet, but I play him myself and I know hes retardedly strong. I heard Kennen, but problem is that my Kennen sucks
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
April 03 2012 14:15 GMT
#72
On April 03 2012 22:56 GoSuChicken wrote:
Does anyone know who is able to beat Olaf in lane? I haven't played against him yet, but I play him myself and I know hes retardedly strong. I heard Kennen, but problem is that my Kennen sucks


Olaf can snowball pretty hard against kennen if you just E and get MR. Depends on the kennen more then yourself tbh. Theres not really alot that beats Olaf top.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
April 03 2012 14:15 GMT
#73
Swain. Maybe Ryze? I don't know if his W lasts long enough early on, esp. since you need to stand still to cast, he could axe you easily. Rumble perhaps, if he can harass Olaf w/o standing to near.
Basically, anything ranged that can kite him.
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Schwopzi
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands954 Posts
April 03 2012 14:35 GMT
#74
Mundo can do fairly well vs olaf, you just need to lasthit with cleaver for a pretty long time; untill you can just shrug off his E dmg through sheer health.
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ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
April 03 2012 14:38 GMT
#75
Mundo gets outfarmed tho toplane by Olaf. A good Olaf will not let you get near before lvl6 without punishing you bad, and theres not much you can do to the Olafplayer there. He will snowball too hard. Swain can work , but hes alot more squishy then you might think. I max Q vs pretty much all ranged up top, if they stand to lasthit its an axe to the face and followup because of the slow.
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Gaslo
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland951 Posts
April 03 2012 15:17 GMT
#76
How is Olaf power curve? It seems that everywhere i read about that super lategame, but i've never seen it. Olafs in my games seem to be early game beasts, who fall off later, is this just them playing Olaf badly, or is that just how Olaf works?
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
April 03 2012 15:36 GMT
#77
While it's not an easy matchup, Riven can do fine against Olaf if you go E first, start cloth5, and pick your engages carefully. Olaf will oom before Riven is out of pots, after which she will bully you out of lane until you go buy.

Not many champs give Olaf a hard time though, and if you do get an early leg up on Riven then she's utterly screwed.
UltimateFire
Profile Joined May 2011
United States36 Posts
April 03 2012 20:06 GMT
#78
I too would like to hear more specifics about olaf's lategame, as I always feel strongest in the mid-game, and that can still go wrong e.g. If I'm low on mr and the ap carry can burst me low when I try to initiate in the first or second dragon fights. I also am curious what player's run that makes them feel safer against ganks, feels like every gank can make me blow ghost or flash depending on what I'm running and I still might not get away. I recognize a lot of this as simple bad play on my part (only 1200-ish Elo) but advice would be appreciated.

Are people waiting to try to dominate the lane until level 5-6? I feel like I can get harrassed low if I let pushers push into me and then I can take damage under tower even if I'm trying to cs, making me vulnerable to double tower dives since it's hard to damage without using e but that kills you faster when you need to last longer and let the tower kill one of your enemies. I just don't get olaf top like I understand ap/ad, and I'm not sure what I'm missing.

Still a strong team asset if you don't get railed into a way behind state.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-03 20:36:38
April 03 2012 20:32 GMT
#79
On April 04 2012 05:06 UltimateFire wrote:
I too would like to hear more specifics about olaf's lategame, as I always feel strongest in the mid-game, and that can still go wrong e.g. If I'm low on mr and the ap carry can burst me low when I try to initiate in the first or second dragon fights. I also am curious what player's run that makes them feel safer against ganks, feels like every gank can make me blow ghost or flash depending on what I'm running and I still might not get away. I recognize a lot of this as simple bad play on my part (only 1200-ish Elo) but advice would be appreciated.

Are people waiting to try to dominate the lane until level 5-6? I feel like I can get harrassed low if I let pushers push into me and then I can take damage under tower even if I'm trying to cs, making me vulnerable to double tower dives since it's hard to damage without using e but that kills you faster when you need to last longer and let the tower kill one of your enemies. I just don't get olaf top like I understand ap/ad, and I'm not sure what I'm missing.

Still a strong team asset if you don't get railed into a way behind state.


Olaf's endgame is ridiculous because of his ult, and absurd auto's with 45+ passive arpen + true damage. MoM, boots of choice(zerks, mercs and tabi all work), Atmas, Trinity warmogs, BT is my chosen 6 item build, although ghostbade works as well instead of trinity if you replace warmogs with frozen mallet. Ult -> run up to squishies, throw an axe and proceed to 3 shot them.

What do you mean by pushers though. When you say they can damage you under tower I'd assume it's like vlad or kennen. Kennen is pretty stupid but vlad you can run flash/ghost ignite, open boots+4 with MR page QEQ, and then allin him the moment you hit an axe. In general though against anybody who can harass/lasthit from range you'll want to max axe first because it's stronger for both jungler ganks and for allining them.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
April 03 2012 21:50 GMT
#80
I run wriggles-randuin's-warmog-atmas--MoM-boots (ususally mercs) when i can get to that point. Only champ that managed to actually hurt me real bad after atmogs was a fed Vayne, MoM or even hexdrinker combined with your ult usually allow you to tank bursts fairly well.
I'm by no means a good Olaf by now, but something I've come to considered as crucial since I started playing him is the timing on your W during teamfights. I usually won't pop the ult until I'm focused or eat a stun (the buff it received to cleanse on top of granting immunity occurred before I started playing him), but I used to cast W right as I entered the fight, to do more damage and survive the early bursts even better. My problem was that I wouldn't be able to hit that much because of high HP (for the passive), casting other spells (Q anim kinda slow), and enemy champs having mobility spells to blow and make me waste time. Then, once the initial dust set off, sustained dps would be able to outdamage my wriggle's sustain and kill me.
So now I let myself get lower health, and don't use W at the start unless I have blue buff or something. Then as soon as I'm low health and comfortably sat on the AD carry (or getting sat on by some bruiser) I pop W to let my sustain (and MoM when I have it) do the rest.

I know those are bad habits I got from Irelia, on who I'd activate Hiten Style before diving. Since Olaf has no gap closer I wasted a good second of W to cover Bladesurge's range on foot.
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