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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
Kass isn't that bad for olaf, you just ignore him and his damage isn't a problem for you until he's fed You're more scared of someone who can rek you with damage like ahri or something gnar is op against everyone, irrelevant lissandra is weak against olaf because she relies almost exclusively on AoE CC to be effective in teamfights | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
Think I'm going to switch to jungling him and see how that goes. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On February 04 2015 05:55 Slayer91 wrote: Yeah I remember kerp playing olaf in soloq and would just get ghostblade active run in with ult and destroy this cass every teamfight she got so mad. Kass isn't that bad for olaf, you just ignore him and his damage isn't a problem for you until he's fed You're more scared of someone who can rek you with damage like ahri or something gnar is op against everyone, irrelevant lissandra is weak against olaf because she relies almost exclusively on AoE CC to be effective in teamfights Oh I meant in lane, as in "I wouldn't pick up Olaf for top lane atm because the FotM stuff beats him and/or provides more" (kinda like as tanky as he can get, Maokai/pre-nerf Alistar/Gragas were at least as tanky and provided more cc/immediate impact on fights, same with Sion and Gnar now. Without all the mobility, pre-Olaf-ing Olaf would be prob up there though, since the meta is back to full tanks and that's part of what made him super popular. Now he's got less damage if he doesn't build an offensive item (and more if he does but he can't really afford it) so other picks are better than him at that particular thing. TL;DR the idea is "if I wanted to pick Olaf top I'd have to struggle against the FotM, and other picks do what he does, but better and with a side dish, however if he does fine in the jungle then it's worth trying my hand at it". | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
what is it with bad junglers and worrying about invades nearly all the time they lose more than you lose unless they get a kill those champs get low hp doing clears anyway so its not like they can easily steal jungle on your side of the map when your team can more easily collapse and you can farm somewhere else too if you want dont' know what olaf has to worry about counterganks he's one of the best duelists and counterganks are mostly just you overextending or choosing obvious baits (but sometimes it happens legit) | ||
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
So what are you opinions: Am I sacrificing too much by not getting armor/resist in my 2nd major item? Am I overvaluing the Stalkers smite on champions after the nerf? | ||
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TheHumanSensation
Canada1210 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
You still kill stuff faster with Stalkers than most Junglers do with rangers. Also, if you can land a Stalkers before having to use Q, that guy is dead unless he can flash over a wall and you running ghost. Pretty cut and dry. I also think you are worrying about your HP loss from camps too much. I feel like you straight up dont have to worry about it after these jangle monster nerfs. The Jungle sucks now. lol. | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On March 19 2015 18:55 Osmoses wrote: When jungling Olaf do you build him full tank or do you take a damage item, and if so when? I've tried Cinderhulk tank with Bork and Warrior with full tank, I still find that I get blown up late though  | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
You don't need Cinderhulk to clear fast so it'd be about the damage in fights and the %bonus HP passive. It means you scale better defensively, what with the ~160 bonus HP on Glory as second item and all, but you won't be as strong during the first skirmishes. I'd say it's not until your 3rd item (Cinderhulk -> Glory -> 3rd) that you really start being better. | ||
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
On March 19 2015 18:56 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: I've tried Cinderhulk tank with Bork and Warrior with full tank, I still find that I get blown up late though Yeah, I'm asking because compared to when I jungle Sion I just never at any point in the game feel "tanky" with Olaf. With Sion I can just charge in, do W, do Q, do E, chase a bit and maybe then I'm low if they focused me, but with Olaf I'm near dead before I even get close enough to hit someone. | ||
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Mag1c
Canada180 Posts
I would definitely go Stalkers on Olaf. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On March 19 2015 22:39 Osmoses wrote: Yeah, I'm asking because compared to when I jungle Sion I just never at any point in the game feel "tanky" with Olaf. With Sion I can just charge in, do W, do Q, do E, chase a bit and maybe then I'm low if they focused me, but with Olaf I'm near dead before I even get close enough to hit someone. That's because you can press R with Sion, you need someone to go in with you (or initiate so you reach melee before they fight back) as Olaf. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On March 19 2015 13:00 Ghost-z wrote: The new Cinderhulk is just too good not to jungle Olaf without it. However I'm torn between two jungle builds. The first is to just get Rangers/Cinder into Randuins for tanky HP synergy. But Stalkers/Cinder is much better for ganks and sticking to enemies. Olaf already clears fast enough and can sustain well enough that Rangers is not required but without some sort of regen he can't come out of the jungle all full HP. So in order to keep my HP full after clearing camps I've built warmogs as a 2nd item. The warmogs regen and synergy with Cinders feels so good between fights and in small ganks/skirmishes. I just worry about 5v5 fights happening before I can buy armor/resists. So what are you opinions: Am I sacrificing too much by not getting armor/resist in my 2nd major item? Am I overvaluing the Stalkers smite on champions after the nerf? you shouldn't be going rangers or warmogs righteous glory and stalkers are both massively better wtf just buy a potion or two if you are worried about hp cinderhulk might be worse than warmogs doesn't seem like you get a lot of use out of the burn damage on him maybe thats why you are low hp you take too long to clear camps. warrior clears faster not sure if its better though | ||
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
His build order (Ghost/Smite): Stalkers>>Cinderhulk>>NinjaTabi>>GiantsBelt>>Locket>>RightGlory>>Warmogs I'm really liking this build however instead of sitting on a giants belt for most of the game I'm going to swap in a Sight Stone because the vision is just too important to let my solo q teammates do it. Olaf does get free resists from his ult before you pop it so HP stacking feels good on him. | ||
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Mag1c
Canada180 Posts
So get the Giant's Belt, but then complete a couple of other, more useful finished items first, and complete up to the Warmog's later. Or if you're massively far ahead, troll the game a little and turn that Belt into a Frozen Mallet.  | ||
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MidnightGladius
China1214 Posts
Cinderhulk seems quite strong with its current numbers, it definitely has arguments in its favor over Warrior. | ||
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