EPT[Champion] Pantheon - Page 15
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SHr3DD3r
Pakistan2137 Posts
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On December 22 2011 04:33 sylverfyre wrote: What about setting up a countergank when the inevitable jungle pressure comes? Panth + whoever your jungler is should be able to wreck a 2v2, right? (Warning: Requires knowing where the hell the enemy jungler is, or just having your jungler follow you in to an early level 1 or level 3 2v1 and trying to catch the opponent extra hard and hoping their jungler doesn't show up in a way that dicks you over.) Pick up a kill or 2 before jungler comes, when jungler comes pick up a double kill:p On December 23 2011 03:22 SHr3DD3r wrote: EU has trash Panths Eu has pants that open cloth5 and go wriggles into atmogs lol. | ||
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
i started with doran blade and totally destroyed lee sin (he had exhaust/flash w/ cloth armor opening) thanks for the tips before you explained it, doran blade opening seemed so bad to me | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
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Lanzoma
Mexico813 Posts
On December 23 2011 06:07 Mogwai wrote: streaming vs. Riven top, let's see how it goes: http://www.justin.tv/smashgizmo How'd it go? | ||
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AngryFarmer
United States560 Posts
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
On December 23 2011 03:11 Mogwai wrote: I usually agree with you Slayer, but here it just sounds like you have never played vs. a Pantheon who knows what the hell they're doing. This is exactly the spot where I'd love some advice. My recent games as Panth went along these lines: Riven vs Panth top (me right side). I smack her face in lvl 1, she decides to trade with minion aggro, I'm around 90%, she's around 40% and starts to eat her first pot. I walk up to her to w+spear her, a wild GP appears from my tribrush. My shit is on cd, flash isn't enough, I loldie. Panth vs Udyr top (me left side). I smack his face in lvl 1 because he randomly decided to walk up from his brush to me and hit me in the middle of my wave (!?). He walks back and eats pots. When I ding lvl 3 he is still 2 and the wave is almost at his tower. At 3:30 a wild Trundle appears to smack my head in. (I flash to get away.) Udyr pushes the wave back a little bit so I decide to stay in lane, smack him to 20% and the trundle comes around like 30s later to smack my head in again. No flash, I loldie. How do you deal with that? Do you read the enemy lane well enough to not get ganked like this? Do you walk in patterns to allow you seeing more of the river? I had multiple games where I got my support to ward at lvl 1 and then this is NO problem at all. Ever. However, in solo Q where you can't rely on that or perfect CVs - just, how do you deal with being in their face and not getting ganked at the same time? | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On December 23 2011 03:11 Mogwai wrote: I usually agree with you Slayer, but here it just sounds like you have never played vs. a Pantheon who knows what the hell they're doing. This is definitely true and as I said my opinion doesn't hold much weight I'm just adding my 2 cents about why I think junglers hurt pantheon a little bit more than they hurt other bruisers. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On December 21 2011 14:38 Mogwai wrote: ok, well, I've explained how Panth vs. Nasus goes in my experience. I daresay I've had more experience and more relevant experience. hate to bring this to appeal to authority, but put up or shut up. Show me that you can play Nasus vs. Pantheon and not be completely nuetered without your jungler and I'll believe the matchup isn't shit. If the jungler is necessary, then cool, that's a disadvantage. If my jungle just counter ganks, you're fucked, end of story, otherwise my jungler gets to wreak havoc while yours babysits your worthless ass and prays to god that your team is doing well enough elsewhere to force an endgame where nasus is useful. Riven, w/e, you're bringing nothing new to the table. Your shield won't absorb more than a spear cloth vs. dblade and later you have to use your shield defensively and then get out between spear coming off cd and your shield coming off cd. I'm still not convinced she can hang with panth I play nasus v pantheon quite frequently. Most comps that put nasus top put him top with the intention of pairing him with a specific set of junglers because nasus has a lot of mediocre matchups, but he is one of the best scaling heros in the game bar none. Teams that plunk nasus top and aren't putting him because their team was thrown together haphazardly are going to be baiting aegis and not throwing spirit fire down in order to let the lane drift towards nasus's tower, where nasus can farm just fine given the AA reset on q and his relatively solid damage + good animation. Add wither + a huge chunk of armor reduction to ganks and you have very, very strong reasons to throw your jungle top asap. Additionally, even if panth doesn't die to a gank, the facetime nasus gets with creeps as a result of the threat created by the jungler in the area is often enough for him to heal a huge chunk of health.Its also pretty common to have nasus run to golems to heal up if his lane isn't doing well, especially now that the gold and xp value of the smaller doubles golem is often not important. Nasus is an investment for the lategame. Your jungle should be playing with that in mind. Your jungle ganking top twice doesn't magically mean you've missed five dragons and every other lane is now losing, either. As for riven, that's pretty much what I said. You shield in AS spear happens, which pretty much obliterates 80% of your shield, which means panth has free autos on you and you're forced to Q out. Basically you end up trading w for 2 panth autos, hopefully 1 if you can time your w to get a cs. If you run him down on mana; tits. You win. If he times his spear so that your w would push the lane and not get cs, well dick, you lose. You can't shield prior to spear because panth runs faster than you do and shield does not last long enough to allow you to trade with panth or cs then get away without an unshielded spear coming at you. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On December 23 2011 09:48 r.Evo wrote: This is exactly the spot where I'd love some advice. My recent games as Panth went along these lines: Riven vs Panth top (me right side). I smack her face in lvl 1, she decides to trade with minion aggro, I'm around 90%, she's around 40% and starts to eat her first pot. I walk up to her to w+spear her, a wild GP appears from my tribrush. My shit is on cd, flash isn't enough, I loldie. Panth vs Udyr top (me left side). I smack his face in lvl 1 because he randomly decided to walk up from his brush to me and hit me in the middle of my wave (!?). He walks back and eats pots. When I ding lvl 3 he is still 2 and the wave is almost at his tower. At 3:30 a wild Trundle appears to smack my head in. (I flash to get away.) Udyr pushes the wave back a little bit so I decide to stay in lane, smack him to 20% and the trundle comes around like 30s later to smack my head in again. No flash, I loldie. How do you deal with that? Do you read the enemy lane well enough to not get ganked like this? Do you walk in patterns to allow you seeing more of the river? I had multiple games where I got my support to ward at lvl 1 and then this is NO problem at all. Ever. However, in solo Q where you can't rely on that or perfect CVs - just, how do you deal with being in their face and not getting ganked at the same time? The problem is, panth is a pretty easy gank because he has no escapes and a lot of junglers are assholes and just start blue and camp top, regardless of if you're playing pant or not. Wondering about this myself aswell when you're playing top regardless of champ, how to deal with early jungle pressure, esp when they keep camping for a bit. | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On December 23 2011 19:08 OutlaW- wrote: Can someone tell me who counters panth? :s Yorick and Malphite are pretty rough for him, I think. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
my graphics card shit the bed and I bluescreened as I flash ignited after her for fb......... was pretty great -_- On December 23 2011 22:59 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Yorick and Malphite are pretty rough for him, I think. Yorrick tends to not bother me, but Malphite sucks and Rumble is a real sonofabitch if he counter specs you (which he can afford to do because he still does 23819023801928390123 DPS even with a 40 Armor page and cloth opening). Kennen is also a problem. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On December 24 2011 01:38 Mogwai wrote: never had to play it, so I dunno. him being a manaless and CDless champion though... he's probably pretty tough! Skarner uses mana? Unless you're referring to low mana costs.. :> | ||
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asianskill
United States289 Posts
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