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Amumu will still get to his red in time though, especially if he gets a smiteless leash (which is pretty standard... at higher than Silver IV at least) and he's pretty dangerous to you early on, especially if he has skilled WE, considering how low clearing makes you.
I go WQEW then I adapt (I take W again at level 3 if I know I won't be ganking before level 4, which is pretty rare), I tend to put as much points into E as I can until I feel I'll have to use Q poke soon, at which point I start maxing Q instead (if there's a lot of action, ganks, counterganks, etc. I'll tend to max Q immediatly so my poke is more powerful when both junglers are standing in the same lane, and I can do more damage while checking bushes with Q, plus it gives a better slow for kiting/escaping).
I take a 3rd point in W if I farm a lot and will make use of the additional damage for quite some time, otherwise level 2 W's often enough.
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Btw, I believe that rank 1 E + rank 1 W does more dps than rank 2 W.
Running some quick math, the raw dps increase from E for a level 3 mundo is ~33, or ~28.7 vs big wraith (highest armour of non-buff monsters). Rank 2 W gives +15dps, it's aoe but rank 1 W should be able to burn down the small creeps anyhow. Also, if you run arpen or atspd runes the dps increase from E will be higher. Both cost the same amount of health.
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On April 24 2013 03:05 Alaric wrote:
Amumu will still get to his red in time though, especially if he gets a smiteless leash (which is pretty standard... at higher than Silver IV at least) and he's pretty dangerous to you early on, especially if he has skilled WE, considering how low clearing makes you.
Of course, but he will not likely has a hard leash if he starts at the blue buff of blue team. Picking Mundo on Purple side is already an advantage because you can choose between an early level 2 gank top/mid, or counter jungling.
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Does anyone do Cloth 5 instead of Machete 5 starts.
And/or does anyone build any SS items on mundo?
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isn't the mundo start boots 3 beacuse he doesn't have hard cc and has that sustain.
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Actually Mundo doesn't have sustain at all on his first clear and will most likely need those potions, especially if he plans on ganking. After your first clear you kill stuff faster, thus taking less damage, but your first clear is still pretty vulnerable and potion-hungry.
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On June 04 2013 08:21 cLutZ wrote:
Does anyone do Cloth 5 instead of Machete 5 starts.
And/or does anyone build any SS items on mundo?
I tried Cloth 5, the sustain is only a little bit more, but you take 30s longer to clear the jungle. So no. But I prefer Madred, buy it at your 1st recall definitely help you in term of sustain.
I dont like spirit golem on Mundo (because mana regen is wasted, and Mundo does not scale hard with CDR like other jungler anyway because of his W and R).
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Elder Lizard could be hilariously strong (and fast) though if his W procs it constantly. However, there's no tankiness at all in that, which is kinda bad.
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Best way to go imo is just machete -> spirit visage (or if you can afford it, warmogs)
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I heard some korean OGN teams now consider Mundo as a viable/strong pick in the toplane, is it true?
And if yes, does anyone know about items/runes/masteries/build? In what kind of comp they try to make it fit?
Thanks in advance!
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On July 26 2013 07:10 Anakko wrote:
I heard some korean OGN teams now consider Mundo as a viable/strong pick in the toplane, is it true?
And if yes, does anyone know about items/runes/masteries/build? In what kind of comp they try to make it fit?
Thanks in advance!
http://www.solomid.net/guides.php?champ=Dr-Mundo&sort=2&display=0
http://www.solomid.net/guides.php?g=55826-bunzi-drmundo-build-guide
^I like this one a lot. Hell I even build this in the jungle, lolz. I think I'm 13-3 in Ranked with jungle Mundo.
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I've been curious about this as well. Have tried running 9/21/0 with mixed pen/armor/mr/HP regen quints and general health stacking items, but haven't had a lot of success (although that could be because I haven't played the good doctor in a long time).
VashTS, that link just goes to the page for all Dr. Mundo guides. Which one are you looking at in particular?
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On July 26 2013 15:59 lostbot wrote:
I've been curious about this as well. Have tried running 9/21/0 with mixed pen/armor/mr/HP regen quints and general health stacking items, but haven't had a lot of success (although that could be because I haven't played the good doctor in a long time).
VashTS, that link just goes to the page for all Dr. Mundo guides. Which one are you looking at in particular?
http://www.solomid.net/guides.php?g=55826-bunzi-drmundo-build-guide
Key to Mundo top is being able to hit cleavers, bread and butter is pushing to their tower and nailing cleavers under tower while they try to last hit, then ult+ignite+e and go cleave 'em (be careful about diving because it's easy to miss cleavers which really cuts down your damage). Another positive about Mundo top is that he has such excellent lane control, so even if you're a scrub like my self it's so easy to last hit/freeze/push, plus you can farm from range with cleaver.
Also, there's some stuff earlier in the thread that shows that health items are overrated on Mundo, esp Warmogs. I really like the build in that guide because of the cheap cdr items.
My build path would generally be: cloth/5 or rejuv+ward+pot -> work towards tabis/mercs or kindlegem -> 1 to 2 kindlegems, wardens mail -> spirit visage, randuins -> other stuff. I consider Mundo's core to be SV+Randuins, you'll be a beast once you have those two items.
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Hydra on mundo, a good buy? the innate regen seems to help, along with clear.
Something like Hydra, SV, Warmogs core?
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On July 26 2013 23:04 Capped wrote:
Hydra on mundo, a good buy? the innate regen seems to help, along with clear.
Something like Hydra, SV, Warmogs core?
Mundo doesn't really need help clearing, if you wanted to improve your clearing just level burning agony. imo puts a lot of money into something that's not defense.
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If Koreans valued Mundo in lane, it would be for 1v2.
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I have been playing Mundo top alot and have been loving the guide posted from tsm. Anyone know who hard counters Mundo in a solo lane besides Elise?
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There are two types of bad lanes for mundo: lanes where mundo has to stand back and farm with cleavers or under tower, and lanes where mundo can't even farm.
The first is fairly common - Darius, Shyvana, Udyr, and Trundle can beat on Mundo pretty hard (or at least used to be able to - I haven't played mundo top in a while, but those were the four that I remember having trouble with).
The second is mostly occupied by the standard abusive ranged champs, like Kennen and Teemo. Make sure they aren't picking someone stupid like that, or pray for ganks. It's not just ranged champs - Elise is in this category too.
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On July 26 2013 23:04 Capped wrote:
Hydra on mundo, a good buy? the innate regen seems to help, along with clear.
Something like Hydra, SV, Warmogs core?
Personally I think if you're gonna get a damage item Zephyr might be better. Attack speed/crit is pretty good on him since his E is a massive steroid. The movespeed, cdr, and tenacity are all very good for Mundo, too. It's also reasonably cheap for you to afford.
I'm talking from the perspective of jungle Mundo, though. I've never laned Mundo outside of low-level normals with my smurf.
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Zephyr is THE dps item on mundo, no question. Nothing else compares. He loves everything about it - he needs attackspeed and crit as his main damage stats, he needs movespeed to keep up, and he absolutely requires tenacity so he doesn't get stunlocked or kited.
I just played a game as top lane mundo against shyvana. It wasn't a good measure of how good the lane is, since Shyv towerdove me at level 2 when I had barrier up and then I got double buff from their jungler shortly after thanks to a Karma gank. The lane was pretty out of control from there.
However, I can say that at level 1 the advantage is definitely Shyvana's, and Mundo has to take what farm he can get. I could easily take on Shyvana after 2, but I think even without double buff I could have handled her. Hard to say.
I'll work on updating my guide.
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