EPT[Champion] Akali - Page 8
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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InvaderUK
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
On September 28 2011 13:50 dnastyx wrote: You realize this has nothing to do with "high level play" and everything to do with the fact that he said his mechanics are poor? I'm telling him to work on last hitting and improve his fundamentals. I don't know how you turned that into...whatever that excuse for a rant is. apology. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On September 28 2011 20:49 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Am I the only one who feels like Akali hard counters Garen when played right? Just sit back and q harass til he's too low to trade and then win. I feel we can both freefarm if I open cloth+5. Freefarm Akali vs freefarm garen, I call victory. =P | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On September 28 2011 20:49 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Am I the only one who feels like Akali hard counters Garen when played right? Just sit back and q harass til he's too low to trade and then win. Akali potentially slaughters/gets slaughtered by everyone in the game (except lee sin who always rapes her sideways). She's so snowbally. | ||
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Arthemesia
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Zhiroo
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Norada
China482 Posts
On September 29 2011 01:19 Zhiroo wrote: What does snowball mean? I keep hearing it a lot. Pardon my ignorance. Imagine a snowball rolling down a hill. It gets bigger right? Just basically it means when you start getting kills it's easier and easier to get kills and you generally get stronger more so than others from farm. | ||
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Mephit
United States34 Posts
On September 29 2011 01:19 Zhiroo wrote: What does snowball mean? I keep hearing it a lot. Pardon my ignorance. Snowball kind of describes when a champion gets kills and how powerful they become based on the kills. Best example is Katarina, she thrives on kills, but if you don't get kills on her, its very hard to be productive with her later. Another example would be "snowball" items like Mejais, sword of the occult, leviathan, where you get more powerful based on getting stacks due to Kills/Assists. That was a lot harder to explain than I thought it would be. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On September 29 2011 01:19 Zhiroo wrote: What does snowball mean? I keep hearing it a lot. Pardon my ignorance. Imagine a snowball rolling down a snowy hill, getting bigger and bigger as it picks up more snow. It's that. It's the idea of "getting ahead and staying ahead". Champions (like Akali) that scale well with items get more and more ahead with each kill, because they get more items than you and can farm more. Essentially, with each kill, it becomes easier for Akali to get the next kill, which makes her stronger and easier to get the next kill, and so on. Champions like this tend to have really sporadic games, where one game they get a few early kills and then keep dominating with their lead, but another game they die or get zoned out early and they're useless because they can't keep up. Akali is one, LeBlanc is (sort of) another. Most carries can snowball, some more than others. Vayne with a few early kills for good items just becomes a terror in the mid game because she can just crap all over most enemies when built. There are also "snowball items", like Mejai's or Sword of the Occult, that get big boosts on killing a champion or getting an assist. | ||
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Zhiroo
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
On September 28 2011 20:49 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Am I the only one who feels like Akali hard counters Garen when played right? Just sit back and q harass til he's too low to trade and then win. Maybe, but Q without proc doesn't do much damage... He's got the ability to Q and spin if you go in for last hits (which you will have to if you are trying to get him low with Q harass). Even if you do go in for last hits and shroud before he silences you, he'll still be able to get a couple ticks of spin off. And if by some chance your Q harass is wearing him down, he can just camp in the brush to heal with his passive (+ one of the 3 pots he opened with). Iunno, maybe I'm biased. It seems like a case of getting minimal harass on him, and missing out on last hits that you would have Q'd safely... or leaving yourself vulnerable to a Q+ spin combo when you go in to last hit. I'd probably just stick to the safer play of using Q to last hit. Might be a better matchup if you start boots and the Garen doesn't... but I'm used to Garen's starting boots. Let me know if I'm missing anything here, cause if there is some way to play the lane out as a favourable matchup then I'd love to be able to. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On September 28 2011 03:02 Requizen wrote: While I agree, you have to be fair and acknowledge that Giant's Belt aids more in sustain than Pickaxe, and Wand gives more burst than it. Gunblade is better when taken as a whole, but I think the parts go to Rylai's. Yeah, but "parts" of Gunblade include "completed revolver" which is pretty damn awesome early game. The cutlass half is definitely less awesome, of course, but once you get the cutlass completed (even if gunblade isnt done yet) you have the on-active slow to pop as a followup to your R. Your example of pickaxe is pretty silly when that's not the first thing you pick up for a gunblade, whereas wand/belt are your two favored options to start a rylais. | ||
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RoieTRS
United States2569 Posts
I've pretty much played exclusively for a good 3 weeks and I still haven't found an answer to laning against akali and I say it is 100% impossible unless the akali doesn't start with boots+3. actually akali is the only champion I can't beat I think. Any advice? Maybe if it is actually unwinnable, who would be a good counterpick to akali? I'm pretty confident in my gragas vs akali. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On September 29 2011 05:50 sylverfyre wrote: Yeah, but "parts" of Gunblade include "completed revolver" which is pretty damn awesome early game. The cutlass half is definitely less awesome, of course, but once you get the cutlass completed (even if gunblade isnt done yet) you have the on-active slow to pop as a followup to your R. Your example of pickaxe is pretty silly when that's not the first thing you pick up for a gunblade, whereas wand/belt are your two favored options to start a rylais. Well yeah, but the discussion was "After Revolver, go for Gunblade or Rylai's or ???". I can see the merits of both, but I think moving into the midgame it's better to have a Revolver and Giant's belt than Revolver and Pickaxe and maybe Scepter. I'm still pretty undecided, though. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On September 29 2011 05:55 RoieTRS wrote: Hey akali players I've pretty much played exclusively for a good 3 weeks and I still haven't found an answer to laning against akali and I say it is 100% impossible unless the akali doesn't start with boots+3. actually akali is the only champion I can't beat I think. Any advice? Maybe if it is actually unwinnable, who would be a good counterpick to akali? I'm pretty confident in my gragas vs akali. Akali counters are basically champs that can out trade her. For the most part, Garen does pretty well, same with Lee Sin. Burst casters can do okay pre-6 since they can nuke her from far away and she can't really retaliate. The super sustain guys like yorick udyr and ww can force the lane into a farm-fest, but they have to play more passively lvls 1-3 while they wait for their sustain skills to really kick in. Gragas can do okay 'cause he can just sit really really far away and just farm/harass with Q and never have to get close to Akali. If Akali approaches him into melee range, Gragas body slam does a pretty significant amount of damage if it's single target. Back to Gunblade v. Rylais. I tried a gunblade rush in ranked today and it felt okay. Getting the revolver definitely helps lane sustain but the lull between getting revolver and finishing gunblade felt a little iffy and I had to play much more passive. If I go Rylais first, I grab belt first, which gives me a good chunk of hp that I can use to trade burst with and usually come out on top seeing how spammable akali's burst rotation is. Once I finished Gunblade things were pretty chill, but I just had to be much more mindful of when/how I enter teamfights. Which usually involved sitting way far away twiddling my thumbs until all the enemy shit has been blown then flank their carries. With Rylais I could afford to be a little more reckless cause that extra chunk of hp helps to let me get on their carries and shroud. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On September 29 2011 05:55 RoieTRS wrote: Hey akali players I've pretty much played exclusively for a good 3 weeks and I still haven't found an answer to laning against akali and I say it is 100% impossible unless the akali doesn't start with boots+3. actually akali is the only champion I can't beat I think. Any advice? Maybe if it is actually unwinnable, who would be a good counterpick to akali? I'm pretty confident in my gragas vs akali. Lee Sin destroys Akali. I have no idea about Gragas vs. Akali. | ||
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On September 28 2011 20:49 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Am I the only one who feels like Akali hard counters Garen when played right? Just sit back and q harass til he's too low to trade and then win. I have never lost to any akali(generally crush her) but then again I play vs bad ppl. I really don't see how akali could win tho.. I'll just last hit everything, pot up, then come back with a brutalizer and a dorans and destroy her. | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
On September 29 2011 05:55 RoieTRS wrote: Hey akali players I've pretty much played exclusively for a good 3 weeks and I still haven't found an answer to laning against akali and I say it is 100% impossible unless the akali doesn't start with boots+3. actually akali is the only champion I can't beat I think. Any advice? Maybe if it is actually unwinnable, who would be a good counterpick to akali? I'm pretty confident in my gragas vs akali. If an Akali doesn't start boots 3 pots... chances are they don't have a proper akali runes + mastery setup... which means they probably aren't very good at her. Typical counters are Lee sin / Garen / Kass. Gragas can definitely be good against her - barrel can still hit her in her shroud, body slam for escaping or if she gets close. I haven't played the matchup in a while though... Gragas's barrels are pretty weak early... so I feel like an Akali with both masteries procced could establish an advantage especially at level 2 and 3 with Q and shroud. Depends on whether it was mid or top... Iunno, playing the matchup would probably help me get a better idea. | ||
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RoieTRS
United States2569 Posts
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