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On September 29 2011 05:55 RoieTRS wrote:
Hey akali players
I've pretty much played exclusively for a good 3 weeks and I still haven't found an answer to laning against akali and I say it is 100% impossible unless the akali doesn't start with boots+3.
actually akali is the only champion I can't beat I think.
Any advice? Maybe if it is actually unwinnable, who would be a good counterpick to akali? I'm pretty confident in my gragas vs akali.
Play Kennen. He can outlane Akali AND he can 1v1 Akali at any point in the game.
I haven't played enough Trundle to say anything about him.
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I just destroyed a kennen with akali in my last game. The trick is to let him push a bit and carefully watch his energy pool while getting lasthits under shroud when he pushes too hard. When his energy drops by a certain amount then jump him.
I actually pick malzahar against akali mid. before 6 malz just completely controls the lane with Q and E and after 6 she has to be real ballsy to jump him. It can go both ways though but with a strong start malz wins those trades. Others that certainly work well are: swain, morgana, brand, anivia and I even think kassadin should do very well against her mid. Not that every of those matchups are foolproof or something but I think those champions have the luxury to control the lane in their favor while the akali player can only count on mistakes and punish them accordingly.
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Marshall Islands3404 Posts
apparently singed gets raped by akali but ive never lost to an akali as singed so idk. I feel like he counterpicks her pretty well.
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Morgana destroyyyyyyyssssssssssssssss akali
or at least that's how I feel
Akali has to be brain dead to jump on morgana, and any harrass that Akali does is just spellvamped back by morg.
Plus, Morg is ungankable and can push all day.
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On September 29 2011 14:22 tobi9999 wrote:
Morgana destroyyyyyyyssssssssssssssss akali
or at least that's how I feel
Akali has to be brain dead to jump on morgana, and any harrass that Akali does is just spellvamped back by morg.
Plus, Morg is ungankable and can push all day.
A good akali should be able to hold her ground, she will have to take lasthits but when morg's ulti isn't up it's easy to get zonen out because if you pool her shroud a smart akali will jump on you.
Idk, the akali I was against carried their team super hard but morg vs akali felt like a even lane to me (when the akali knows her shit, that is, if she's nothing special (run of the mill akali) then she'd get destroyed most likely).. Given I was winning on CS I didn't DESTROY her
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Iirc morg ult under akali shroud doesn't follow her.
Lane seems even to me; what's morg going to do other than push lanes and miss q if she shoots it and akali will just lasthit/q.
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On September 29 2011 14:30 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Iirc morg ult under akali shroud doesn't follow her.
Lane seems even to me; what's morg going to do other than push lanes and miss q if she shoots it and akali will just lasthit/q.
you never want to be permanently pushed under your turret at the midlane. especially if your opponent is hard to kill, such as morgana.
Toplane such things matter less but the mid is a very active lane. You are bound to help your jungler in skirmishes or dragon fights. You should not miss opportunities to gank. A midlane that is pushed to your turret by anything that is not easily killed, such as morgana/swain/anivia (which are all very strong pushers with bluebuff at least) means that everyone is safe from you and results in 4on3 mid/bottom and 3on2 mid/top skirmishes.
Morgana is one of the best picks against akali mid, since she can push her safely and help in ganks and jungle fights while akali sits under her turret, desperately trying to control the wave. Basicly this forces the other lanes and your jungler to play conservatively while your opponents can control the flow of the game.
It is a different story if you and your jungler are able to kill the reckless pusher. The more offensive type casters such as brand/malz/cassio/annie are far easyer to kill before they reach their turret, when they push you then they have to be sure about getting support from their jungle if needed. But hard to kill targets can often shrug off enough damage until they get support and turn things around in their favor.
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Akali is getting destroyed by cc - stuns mostly - tanks teams and high defense + warmongs type items.
She kills range ad's like ashe or soft ap champions ( mages ) thats her job.
akali in high elo is situational cause she can be shut down way too easy.
Kennen is far better champion in the right hands go watch some pro tournaments
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On September 29 2011 21:33 topoulo wrote:
Akali is getting destroyed by cc - stuns mostly - tanks teams and high defense + warmongs type items.
She kills range ad's like ashe or soft ap champions ( mages ) thats her job.
akali in high elo is situational cause she can be shut down way too easy.
Kennen is far better champion in the right hands go watch some pro tournaments
thats a bold statement. I've seen enough akali bans against westrice to be able to deny this.
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On September 29 2011 21:40 clickrush wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2011 21:33 topoulo wrote:
Akali is getting destroyed by cc - stuns mostly - tanks teams and high defense + warmongs type items.
She kills range ad's like ashe or soft ap champions ( mages ) thats her job.
akali in high elo is situational cause she can be shut down way too easy.
Kennen is far better champion in the right hands go watch some pro tournaments thats a bold statement. I've seen enough akali bans against westrice to be able to deny this.
Actually is westrice and some other top players who claim these and is pretty evident from latest tournaments.
No 1 bothers bann akali lately , they almost always ban lee sin , orianna ( even with the nerfs is stupid strong ) alistar - brand , sometimes morgana and then depends
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The things you said about akali is are all very well known. But claiming kennen to be a far better champion is kinda bold since both champions have completely different weaknesses and strengths.
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Akali is strong even against stuns, all you have to do is wait out some of their stuns and you can abuse that in team fights and spam q from the farthest range. She obviously is even stronger when your opponents don't have as many stuns but she's strong regardless.
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I generally don't have a problem with stuns as long as I pop W as soon as I R into a fight. They stun right off the bat, but I'm stealthed so it doesn't really matter all that much. If they're intelligent, they'll wait for Smoke Bomb to disappear, but you may be able to kill them by then. It's not impossible to fight against.
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On September 30 2011 02:24 Mogwai wrote:
Ree Sin :D
Is cheating D:
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On September 29 2011 12:10 clickrush wrote:
I just destroyed a kennen with akali in my last game. The trick is to let him push a bit and carefully watch his energy pool while getting lasthits under shroud when he pushes too hard. When his energy drops by a certain amount then jump him.
I actually pick malzahar against akali mid. before 6 malz just completely controls the lane with Q and E and after 6 she has to be real ballsy to jump him. It can go both ways though but with a strong start malz wins those trades. Others that certainly work well are: swain, morgana, brand, anivia and I even think kassadin should do very well against her mid. Not that every of those matchups are foolproof or something but I think those champions have the luxury to control the lane in their favor while the akali player can only count on mistakes and punish them accordingly.
Malz is pretty sick good vs akali even post 6 if he can just Q over himself as soon as akali jumps at him. Silenced akali can't do shit, you are free to kill her to your leisure.
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LeBlanc is great against akali. Just harass pre-6 and it is easy win lane. Also, pink wards work too well. A good akali can still function without shroud decently but it makes the trade-free harass go down quite a bit.
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So I've been some akali in the last little while (when she isn't banned) and enjoying her a fair bit. I have a few questions, so hopefully someone who's played her more than me will be able to answer them:
1. the new masteries - most quides still go 21-9-0 or 21-0-9. Would it ever make sense to go something crazy like 30-0-0 (or 27-3-0 or so)? She does quite a bit of physical damage especially once she gets Lich Bane. The attack speed is somewhat wasted (though not entirely imo). Anyways, is 10% apen worth veteran's scars? The last 3 could go into armour, lifesteal, energy, apen, or even havoc (since it affects all her damage).
2. lifesteal - my understanding is that lifesteal should proc off all on-hit damage so that should include lich bane, her passive, and consuming marks - is this correct? it would make lifesteal quite good on her (not saying you should ever have any more than gunblade + maybe the masteries though).
3. the standard for runes seems to be ap quints, ap/lvl blues, hp/lvl yellows, and 7 ad + 2 mpen reds. Doing some bizarre math you'd also get your ad passive up off of 1 ad quint (2.25) + 5 ad reds (4.75) + 3 pts from masteries (3), and your ap passive up off of 5 l1 ap from masteries (4 + 1/lvl) + 2 ap quints (9.9) + 3 flat ap blues (2.97) + 6 ap/lvl blues (1.02 ap/lvl) = 18.89 ap x 105% (from masteries) ~= 19.8 which rounds up to 20. Then you could run 2 more mpen runes. So my question is, is 1.9 mpen (at lvl 1-18) worth ~2.5 ap at lvl 1 and ~11 ap @ lvl 18?
[you can also do some interesting things with the math - if you run all ap/lvl blues you don't get your bonus magic damage passive until lvl 2, but you're trading 2 mpen for flat 5 ap at all levels]
Anyways, what do akali players think?
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