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ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-21 04:28:13
April 21 2013 04:27 GMT
#761
I play a lot of Jax and I never lose to Kayle, season 2 or season 3. I think even pre-6 jax can do fine if he knows what hes doing but post 6 jax is wayy stronger.
Jaedong :3
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
April 22 2013 17:52 GMT
#762
Singed is depressing, utterly. I dunno if it's the size of his advantage, or the fact that he doesn't seem to have anything particular at all to get it.

That or I'm just that bad. While keeping in mind that picking Singed will always be one of the biggest dick moves you can pull on a Jax, are there any tips, gambits or stuff in general that I can still do use at least make Singed provide some efforts to earn his lead?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Cedstick
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada3336 Posts
April 23 2013 06:57 GMT
#763
I just started playing Jax, and my first lane was against a Rengar top. I was told that things get easier at 6 and that I should catch-up in CS, but because I didn't know what I was doing and blindly built for all-in (blind pick) I lost a level 1 or 2 fight, putting me a level behind the entire time. Things did get easier at 6, yeah, but at the same time it feels like he can trade much more efficiently. It's pretty easy to see when he's going to try to trade, and I can wack him back, but he seems like he can outlast me in these trades, and because of this I'm zoned/scared to CS too much, especially with threat of jungle ganks.

Does the one level make a big difference? Should I be fine versus Rengar post-6 and be able to catch-up in CS? Heavy AD runes with flat MR and Armor, 9/21/0 masteries.
"What does Rivington do when he's not commentating?" "Drool." ~ Categorist
NonConGuy
Profile Joined October 2008
United States416 Posts
April 23 2013 07:39 GMT
#764
On April 23 2013 15:57 Cedstick wrote:
Does the one level make a big difference? Should I be fine versus Rengar post-6 and be able to catch-up in CS? Heavy AD runes with flat MR and Armor, 9/21/0 masteries.



The level advantage is crucial from lvl 1 and 2. That's when the increase of stats is the greatest % wise from last level (+80 or so hp is a % of your life at lower levels) and you get an extra spell. Thats why you always see people going golems or leeching exp from the junglers in order to hit 2 before their opponent.
Cedstick
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada3336 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-23 09:41:09
April 23 2013 08:04 GMT
#765
Well, yeah, but I mean for later on. I managed to do pretty decently early-on despite being a level lower. Where things got tough was when started to force trades. I could trade with him, but if I wanted to come-out ahead I'd need to use my ultimate, which, once I blew it, gave him the advantage in trades from then on, and opened me up for ganks hardcore. If I didn't use my ultimate earlier on, he'd win in the trading. I could save it for if he tried to end me, but he still wins his game, or they just tower dive me because I'm already at 1/3 health or whatever.

Edit: it was just after level 6 when he started forcing trades. Rather, the particular trades where it felt like MAYBE I could deal with it, but I wasn't. He'd telegraph by just jumping from the bush all the time, but even if I could have my E ready and return damage, if I wanted to keep-up with him I'd have to blow my ultimate at some point.
"What does Rivington do when he's not commentating?" "Drool." ~ Categorist
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
April 23 2013 14:12 GMT
#766
I'd have to see replays. Imo Rengar is a pretty shitty trader and you can also do what Udyr does to Nunu in that LCS game: shove the lane and back, if you can't win sustained duels.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
April 23 2013 14:41 GMT
#767
Udyr is much better than Jax at shoving, though, and Rengar's W isn't that bad as an AoE push tool. Nunu has... his ult.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-23 23:22:36
April 23 2013 22:57 GMT
#768
I would consider Jax a hard counter to Rengar. Just build defensively while getting sustain so that you can survive in lane, then truck him post 6 (though usually a bit later than 6). Rengar is primarily a burst champion (unless he starts building a lot of crit), as long as you survive his burst reasonably well, he's in a bit of a bind because your sustained damage starts to become much greater than his (provided you didn't give him a massive edge early).

Being a level behind isn't such a big deal depending on when it happens, it's more the fact you slowed your own progression so early. Not being able to cs because you died at 1/2 is a big deal because you tend to get zoned out a lot more easily, and your power curve's rise got slowed to the extent that overcoming the Rengar's power is just flat out difficult. For the most part it is really ill advised to get in early duels as Jax (unless they're like Vlad but even then better to get your jungler to come), because unless they do something incredibly idiotic, chances are you're not going to kill them, you might die in the process, and you're just going to set yourself behind because Jax is not that strong early.

Once you survive past a certain point with comparable CS, Rengar can't do much at all against you 1v1. Your perception of the matchup is skewed because you died super early, and if you do that in top lane against anyone, chances are it's going to bite you badly later. Against someone like Rengar, he's going to spam his crap all day and zone you out, which is pretty much exactly what happened.

Singed vs Jax is just effing impossible. Even with a lot of help, you're going to probably lose badly unless the Singed is extremely, extremely awful. I'm fairly convinced regardless of what you do, the prick is just going to fling you, laugh, and troll away and no amount of effort can overcome that or make his life more difficult.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 03:07:16
April 24 2013 00:18 GMT
#769
Saw a jax recently on an enemy team with rageblade zephyr and bork. He attacked so fast. Dumb. But fun. He lost cuz he wasn't tanky and didn't do well in lane.

To the above, yes it does seem more and more like Jax has a bad early game and just comes back once he hits 6. His E is an amazing trading tool if you can get someone to stupidly attack you for two seconds at level 1 but no one ever does that and you'd probably have to run behind them and activate it to make the most use of it.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-28 19:24:56
April 28 2013 16:39 GMT
#770
AP Jax does not work. Pretty troll build and loads of fun in botgames though :D

No sustained damage and the burst isn't much higher. Also you lack sustain.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
June 08 2013 05:07 GMT
#771
is Gunblade Jax pretty much 100% dead with the current botrk?
Carrilord has arrived.
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
June 08 2013 09:01 GMT
#772
I always get gunblade on Jax. Botrk sucks imo.
Jaedong :3
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
June 08 2013 09:06 GMT
#773
On June 08 2013 14:07 Slusher wrote:
is Gunblade Jax pretty much 100% dead with the current botrk?


Yup, pretty much. You can get it, but it's not as good as BotRK for the most part.
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-08 11:15:56
June 08 2013 11:15 GMT
#774
On June 08 2013 18:01 ReketSomething wrote:
I always get gunblade on Jax. Botrk sucks imo.


Botrk is 200g cheaper, gives a ~60% MS swing (-30% on the other guy, +30% on you) for 4s vs the 40% slow of the gunblade for 2s, deals more damage to people due to the AS bonus and passive.

All you lose out on is damage on skills and spellvamp.

In return for having less sustain and minimally less burst beyond the active, you get higher sustained damage, better chase potential, stronger dueling power and the ability to take down both tanks and squishies.

I don't see how gunblade is better. It's just outclassed by botrk since the AP scaling on jax pales in comparison to the passive damage of botrk.
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-08 18:52:02
June 08 2013 18:51 GMT
#775
What masteries do you take now? I used to do 21/9 with double pen masteries but I don't know if that's worth it over 17/14 or 9/21 with just armor pen. (I'd imagine you need 9/21 to survive some of the harder lanes early.)

And still AD reds/quints, or hybrid pen? I'd imagine AD quints at a minimum to offset the bad early game.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 14 2013 04:16 GMT
#776
I have been using BotRK for the most part recently. However, with the change to nashor's, I think gunblade and other AP items are worth another look. I had gunblade, lichbane, seekers, nashors, and tabis, which felt pretty good. Chasing definitely wasn't as good with just the gunblade and no triforce, but it wasn't too bad. The burst and sustained damage were obviously very nice, but I felt a little a squishy due to the lack of investment in HP. It wasn't too bad, though, all considering.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-01 02:34:42
June 30 2013 22:36 GMT
#777
Random: Thresh top is annoying to play against as Jax. When you jump on him he can flay you away either after or mid jump.

You outscale him though.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Ic3dT
Profile Joined May 2011
14 Posts
July 04 2013 11:49 GMT
#778
I think going BotRK into Iceborn Gauntlet is the best way to build him vs AD tops, getting Wit's End or Hexdrinker vs Ap. It might be good to buy Hydra or Tiamat into Iceborn Gauntlet if you want to really force splitpush, although I haven't tested that so far.
Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-05 15:48:55
July 05 2013 15:48 GMT
#779
Has anyone tried going (Ruby) Sightstone after BoRK? It seems like it would work really well for split-push Jax: vision to spot people coming, and enough charges left to ward-jump to safety if needed.

And sometimes your team just needs the wards
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
July 05 2013 17:31 GMT
#780
On July 06 2013 00:48 Flakes wrote:
Has anyone tried going (Ruby) Sightstone after BoRK? It seems like it would work really well for split-push Jax: vision to spot people coming, and enough charges left to ward-jump to safety if needed.

And sometimes your team just needs the wards


interesting point. remember when anyone and his mother bought heart of gold on like any champ? sightstone is the same but gives like double the gold/time. the only reason not to get it is because of early game item timing i think?
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