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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13990 Posts
October 29 2012 16:39 GMT
#461
What? Triforce into GA is the build on jax right now. Gunblade has been pretty bad ever sense they nerfed it so hard. hybrid champs have all basicaly died from the gunblade nerf. its almost purely ad jax these days.

That being said I've been experimenting with a nashors bruta build recently and its been going faily nice. the power curve isn't as sharp as when you get a triforce but the cdr is very noticeable mid game and it gives your abilities an extra bit of bite when you're in lanes where you don't get to hit people that much. double tap minon jump (get the on hit proc from your ult) then instant w while waiting to see what they do is extensively strong. I think it will be even better in s3 when the armpen changes happen. the lack of a slow really shows in a teamfight and it can be really fustrating however. Triforce into ga is still the best build right now.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-29 16:55:57
October 29 2012 16:55 GMT
#462
I'm building boots+3 into vamp, which will become cutlass first if I'm in a match-up where I'll be on the offensive post-6 and I don't need the tankiness (just drink pots), then triforce starting with phage. I tend to skip boots2 whenever I can use MS quints because I'll be at almost 400 MS from boots1 and 850 is a hefty price (I'll get tabi in hard lanes, and against Vlad NMM w/o mercs—haven't played the Kennen and Swain match-ups yet—but in tabi's case I don't buy cutlass usually as I want the HP from phage, just the vamp scepter, so it compensates).

After triforce and boots2 I'll complete gunblade if the current state of the game allows it, otherwise I'll go GA. Most of the time I just buy chainvest or NMM depending on their primary source of damage and complete gunblade. Spellvamp sustain stronk and the active is even better, so long as they haven't built enough defense that I must be able to tank stuff before they finally die I find gunblade to be stronger.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
qtiehunter
Profile Joined August 2012
1088 Posts
October 29 2012 17:07 GMT
#463
I was reading unscouted guides on solomid and saw this 2k kr player jax guide that advocates for nashor's tooth as best jax item ever. Thoughts?

For reference: http://www.solomid.net/guides.php?g=31594-cae-ataraxia-jax-build-guide
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13990 Posts
October 29 2012 17:25 GMT
#464
25% cdr 50% attack speed Mad mana regen and some hard teeth in the skills that you skirmish with in lane. All of jax's abilities cooldowns get lower as he levels up.

Theres a lot of things that it does that compliment everything that jax does. the problem is that it delays your triforce/ga which allows you to start controlling the game. you want a phase really fast or everyone will get away from you,however if you get a phage. it delays your nashors to a point where you have to compare how much it does for you compared to getting a triforce. thats not a judgement call that goes for the nashors 9 times out of 10.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 29 2012 19:27 GMT
#465
I don't know why he likes attack speed so much on Jax. I always feel that when an auto-animation cancelling skill, attack speed is not useful.
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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-29 20:05:53
October 29 2012 20:05 GMT
#466
On October 30 2012 04:27 Sufficiency wrote:
I don't know why he likes attack speed so much on Jax. I always feel that when an auto-animation cancelling skill, attack speed is not useful.


because he has a massive massive on hit. it looks really bad to me but uh... I guess that's his reasoning.


i still feel gunblade is the best build on him, the healing is just abusive. it's straight up better for teamfighting than the alternatives
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
October 29 2012 20:08 GMT
#467
Gunblade is good. You're right. It just costs too much money. You gotta have that Triforce. You gotta have that GA. Once you've got those, you pretty much win and it doesn't really matter what else you build, but you gotta get there as soon as possible.
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
October 30 2012 01:40 GMT
#468
THIS JAX GUIDE IS SO GOOD:

(picture of dorans blade)
you alwyas get one of this
come back home with 1310 and you can buy a Sheen? Fuck you, buy this
This item is so staple on Jax and Jax's early game
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
October 30 2012 02:21 GMT
#469
I'm aware some items cost more money thanks
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
AceLight
Profile Joined March 2012
New Zealand220 Posts
November 01 2012 09:08 GMT
#470
How is the Jax vs Vladmir matchup suppose to go?
I played a game of it and won but I feel like it was because the Vlad was bad.

Also above question again but this time with Jayce.
GhostOwl
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
766 Posts
November 01 2012 12:54 GMT
#471
On November 01 2012 18:08 AceLight wrote:
How is the Jax vs Vladmir matchup suppose to go?
I played a game of it and won but I feel like it was because the Vlad was bad.

Also above question again but this time with Jayce.


Vlad soft-counters him. But any good Jax can beat a Vlad. Vlad outsustains. It's all about baiting his pool. Since his pool takes a large chunk of health to use, you can poke in, let him pool, then quickly run out.

Be careful though, if he times it right, he can avoid your stun with his pool. Your only source of CC gone= you can't kill him.

The main reason he beats you in lane is because Jax's E is built towards AD champs, Vlad out-sustains you, and Jax runs on mana while Vlad has no costs. You'll run outta mana before you can outdamage his sustain.
GhostOwl
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
766 Posts
November 01 2012 12:57 GMT
#472
On October 27 2012 03:17 NeoIllusions wrote:
Going Jax more since Jayce feels subpar this patch. :O

Jax v Darius is really player dependent.


I disagree. Jax vs Darius, Darius has the upper hand. He will out-damage you in trades. He will beat you pre-6 because his passive just tears your life apart. After 6, he will still beat you because his Ult + Damage will be done before you can reach max stacks with your passive unless you hit minions few times. Even then, his swing + attack + passive + Ult will kill you faster than you realized what was happening.

Maybe my Jax just isn't that great, but I always felt like it was a uphill battle vs Darius.
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
November 01 2012 14:39 GMT
#473
soooo, how beat jax. Prety much every time i play vs jax with just about any champ i feel really helpless, and it's kinda starting to irritate me.
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
November 01 2012 15:04 GMT
#474
Play Malphite,Nunu, watch Jax cry.

But seriously Jax is a very strong pick right now - he doesn't have many counters in lane, and of the champions that he does have a tough matchup in lane with, he generally scales better.
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
November 01 2012 17:58 GMT
#475
On October 30 2012 05:05 UniversalSnip wrote:
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On October 30 2012 04:27 Sufficiency wrote:
I don't know why he likes attack speed so much on Jax. I always feel that when an auto-animation cancelling skill, attack speed is not useful.


because he has a massive massive on hit. it looks really bad to me but uh... I guess that's his reasoning.


i still feel gunblade is the best build on him, the healing is just abusive. it's straight up better for teamfighting than the alternatives


jax still heals very fast with the nerfed gunblade but trinity comes in such extremely useful parts, adds mobility and more damage cost wise. sheen is one of the most costeffective damage items itself if you can trigger it continuosly. jax want's a bit of attackspeed as well. I also don't like to get too much sustain instead of health on a bruiser except if I'am ahead in farm because you tend to be CC'ed and ignited often if you need to auto a lot.

In the other hand I'am not completely sold on trinity->GA as a core. I get that it is strong and it works but in the other hand jax gets free armor and mr so warmogs sounds like a really good alternative. the cost is a downside and the parts of GA are often more useful in most lanes as flat armor/mr will increase the effectiveness of your pots + vamp scepter and is stronger against flat arpen/magpen than raw health. Apart from the build you rather want to have a warmogs than GA during mid/lategame. if early-mid is a problem for getting warmogs then sunfire might even be a more valuable choice than GA on jax? the revieve just seems kinda gimmicky on a frontline bruiser.

rageblade has come out of favor on a lot of champions which is very weird imo. if you can make use of rageblade (autoattacking, as and ap scaling) then you should allways get it at some point. jax literally profits from all the stats.
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
November 01 2012 18:20 GMT
#476
I think the GA is the same rationale as Irelia - with just Triforce you do an absolute ridiculous amount of damage at that point in the game, and can dive into the heart of the other team with a GA. They can watch you wreck their whole backline, or burst you down, pop your GA, and watching the rest of your team clean up as you revive.
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
November 01 2012 19:51 GMT
#477
On November 02 2012 03:20 Sandster wrote:
I think the GA is the same rationale as Irelia - with just Triforce you do an absolute ridiculous amount of damage at that point in the game, and can dive into the heart of the other team with a GA. They can watch you wreck their whole backline, or burst you down, pop your GA, and watching the rest of your team clean up as you revive.


how does that relate to anything I said/asked?
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
November 01 2012 20:04 GMT
#478
It talks about exactly what you said in your second paragraph. You know, the part about GA not feeling useful.

GA is so core on Jax it's stupid. The fact that no matter what, you're going to be alive after you leap -> counterstrike is HUGE.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
GhostOwl
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
766 Posts
November 02 2012 09:47 GMT
#479
I can see why G angel is useful on Jax, but as the other guy said, Jax gets free MR / Armor on his Ult that I feel like he's better off with other items
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
November 02 2012 11:18 GMT
#480
I didn't say its not useful. I said why I think it is useful but why I consider warmogs more useful and when. For me when an Item is good but situational or even suboptimal then I don't consider it as a core. Basicly I just want to know why people make GA despite the fact that jax allready has free mr/armor. I allready mentioned that the parts of GA might be situaionally more useful in short term. in a lategame situation when you have free mr+armor + a warmogs you definitely will tank more damage when you initiate than with a GA.
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
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