first impressions of jax with the nerf? I've been playing him and vlad non stop top the past week and I'd hate to have to drop Jax off of my ranked roster

kongoline

6318 Posts

June 06 2012 22:33 GMT

#384

nothing changed, hes still retarded strong and nobody can 1v1 him after lvl6++

Sermokala

United States13975 Posts

June 06 2012 23:12 GMT

#385

its bearly a fidth of his base dammage from it is gone and thats at the highest level.

I've been loveing this new triforce semi rush while getting a stinger and a vamp septer after a sheen. Nashors is going to be the next huge item for jax.

Perplex

United States1693 Posts

June 06 2012 23:17 GMT

#386

On June 07 2012 08:12 Sermokala wrote:
its bearly a fidth of his base dammage from it is gone and thats at the highest level.

I've been loveing this new triforce semi rush while getting a stinger and a vamp septer after a sheen. Nashors is going to be the next huge item for jax.

It's 40 base damage off of every empower.. if you were getting three of them off in all-in fights in the top lane, you just lost 180 damage this patch. In a super close fight, this could easily cost you your life so I thought it might be somewhat significant.

gtrsrs

United States9109 Posts

June 06 2012 23:19 GMT

#387

On June 07 2012 08:17 Perplex wrote:
It's 40 base damage

On June 07 2012 08:17 Perplex wrote:
getting three of them off

On June 07 2012 08:17 Perplex wrote:
you just lost 180 damage

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not sure on your math there bucko

Perplex

United States1693 Posts

June 07 2012 01:13 GMT

#388

On June 07 2012 08:19 gtrsrs wrote:

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not sure on your math there bucko

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how bout 120... long day at the office today..

Flakes

United States3125 Posts

June 13 2012 01:11 GMT

#389

Jax seems to be in a good spot atm. Before the nerf you could just first pick him and not worry about much except maybe Malphite. I need to play him more, but I feel that he only really gets owned by Malph/Swain/Panth, and any strategy that works against other melee bruisers. I'm really liking the cutlass-->phage-->finish gunblade build that I've seen some pros do -- Jax is all about sticking power, and dblades+cutlass is plenty of sustain for laning. I still haven't tried the vamp scepter --> triforce build, mostly because cutlass/gunblade are soo good the faster you get them.

I also like going flash/exhaust unless I'm specifically going for lane kills (like against Vlad or assassins). It can be used both offensively and defensively, and like ignite, the mastery is great for hybrid damage. I especially recommend it if your team's carry went flash+ignite and/or your team has no exhaust, because it's really necessary during teamfights to reduce incoming damage if the enemy all focus you when you jump in.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

June 13 2012 14:08 GMT

#390

no, jax is still stupid as shit right now. champ hits critical mass too fast for someone who scales as well as he does.

Shikyo

Finland33997 Posts

June 13 2012 14:23 GMT

#391

Ezreal aspd debuff too stronk vs jax though

ticklishmusic

United States15977 Posts

June 13 2012 16:43 GMT

#392

Jax still pretty strong. I don't feel like the nerf did much from a not Jax/ not Malphite perspective.

Flakes

United States3125 Posts

June 13 2012 17:29 GMT

#393

Well I'm probably biased to think he's balanced because I main him and have found so many ways to lose with him.

I must begrudgingly admit that his AA steroids are the strongest out of all bruisers (except maybe Olaf), and he snowballs hard after the ult change because his defense scales with his offense again (honestly, I thought that was why they remade his HP passive in the first place).

edit (@shiv): I'm including Olaf's armor pen, +AD, and lifesteal as well. And even then I think Jax's passive + ult is comparable, because you can use it for both bursty trades and sustained dps.

edit2 (after getting another Jax win): okay, he's probably OP

just goes to show the effects of power creep + "NERF OP": When people finally do switch en masse to other champs, they are already the new OP by a wide margin. I actually thought he was a bit strong when I saw 1.0.0.133, but I took a 3 month break from LoL shortly after that patch and didn't try him out. The fact that they buffed his HP, stun radius, and gave him resists scaling with AD/AP in a subsequent patch is pretty lulz.

Shiv.

3534 Posts

June 13 2012 17:42 GMT

#394

On June 14 2012 02:29 Flakes wrote:
Well I'm probably biased to think he's balanced because I main him and have found so many ways to lose with him.

I must begrudgingly admit that his AA steroids are the strongest out of all bruisers (except maybe Olaf), and he snowballs hard after the ult change because his defense scales with his offense again (honestly, I thought that was why they remade his HP passive in the first place).

It's a lot stronger than Olafs because it's relatively unconditional. You don't HAVE to be low to make full use of it, you just have to hit a bunch of fools. Maybe that's a bit of a balled statement, but personally (that's just my opinion, mhmkay?), I'd take it over Olafs steroid any day of the week.

Jax is just fucking retarded at the moment. Since I started playing (somewhere around Yorick release), there hasn't been a point where Jax was just a balanced champion, he was always very underwhelming or hellastrong. I seriously don't really know what to do against him other than play Malphite, which I'd rather not, or Lee, which is sort of dicey. Does Rumble stand a chance after the recent nerfs? I doubt it, it was just something that came to mind.

Alaric

France45622 Posts

June 15 2012 13:59 GMT

#395

Would you take exhaust over ignite on Jax, seeing how he can burst but dishes out more damage the longer he can stick to his opponent?

Also, I probably played it a bit wrong, but Shen seemed so strong pre-6. x_o He was dc'd at the start so I got to level 3 easily, and since I didn't push to tower he arrived just in time to grab the exp and only be a few cs down on me. Then he started just chucking daggers at me on cd, trying his best to zone me. I let him push so I could farm but there was no way I would outdamage him with WQ and some autos if he just shielded my burst then Q-passive aa me, and using E on top of it would just drain too much of my mana. Ironically once I got 6 with hexdrinker+vamp+NMM I just rolled over his HoG+aegis parts.
Bit it felt like the first 3 levels would have been hell for me had he not been dc'd.

UniversalSnip

9871 Posts

June 15 2012 18:28 GMT

#396

shen should destroy you in lane

AsnSensation

Germany24009 Posts

June 15 2012 19:17 GMT

#397

yep shen usually destroys jax totally at least pre 6.

Sermokala

United States13975 Posts

June 16 2012 01:25 GMT

#398

I was wondering who I was laneing against as jax and I didn't really look at the loading tab because I was messing with my music and didn't tab in game because I wasn't going tryhard and just boots pots. I saw tf and just started laughing my ass off. 3 kills later and 150 cs in 20 minutes I still never stopped laughing.

hexdrinker sounds like a great idea in those lanes that you lose pre six. I had never thought of getting that on him but I think I'll do that from now on instead of getting phage to counter attack at six. Idk if its worth delaying getting a triforce fast and I love a cutlass slow for getting kills on hard won lanes but I'll try it out and see what happens. What did you mean by NMM? I often times don't use my q when I can just walk up to someone and we then get a second w and then just walk away for some free tradeing for those lanes.

Alaric

France45622 Posts

June 16 2012 01:56 GMT

#399

Null magic mantle, tenacity isn't that necessary against Shen so I wasn't keen on spending 450 just for that and some MS.
For a MR item I'd prefer wit's for the AS and some more magic damage, but hexdrinker is so good in lane against magic damage champs.

obesechicken13

United States10467 Posts

June 16 2012 04:12 GMT

#400

I still don't know if he was ever as strong as preremake. Unfortunately I'd gotten a lot better since playing him preremake, but he was always a strong champ.

The recent nerf stings a bit though. I find myself getting a bit lower. Recent game against wukong, I went 2-1 after getting firstblooded stupidly fighting doran's blade ignite wukong as ghost tele jax with boots. I still got his team mad enough at him that he rage quit and ended up 7-1 though.