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BouBou.865
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands814 Posts
March 29 2011 18:50 GMT
#101
All of those plus 15% Summoner CDR is probably better than SoS + 6 Armor + 6 MR. Especially since losing 6% CDR suddenly makes it so that Q passive + Frozen Heart don't perfectly cap you, meaning that you have a 6% CDR hole that you actually have to bother figuring out how to fill.

Wait. 6+10+20 doesn't make 40% CDR. How come you talk about being perfectly capped?

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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 19:07:48
March 29 2011 19:03 GMT
#102
6% (utility tree) +3% (offense tree) +10% (what i assume is the Q passive) +20% (frozen heart) = 39%

If you're anal about it you can get the 1% that's left from runes (a single scaling cdr blue probably better than trying to get 2 flat cdr blue in there).
BouBou.865
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands814 Posts
March 29 2011 19:08 GMT
#103
Aha. Will try that stuff out. Seems pretty good to walk into lane with 11% CDR.
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BouBou.865
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands814 Posts
April 01 2011 11:20 GMT
#104
What should your position be with Ryze? Like what's the ideal position to be when a fight occurs. I am guessing behind the tanks (wild guess), but a bit before the ranged carries? Or at same distance?
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dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
April 01 2011 12:40 GMT
#105
Your snare is 625 range. Your huge nuke is 675 range.

So close enough to use those, but far enough to avoid getting hit in the face with nasty things. (Ryze is a bit tankier than most casters, so you can absorb a little damage, but you still need to watch out.)
BouBou.865
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands814 Posts
April 01 2011 19:45 GMT
#106
Do you guys run ghost/flash or flash/ignite?
Loving ignite/flash in SoloQ so far, but maybe it's a crutch..?
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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-01 20:04:46
April 01 2011 20:04 GMT
#107
Ignite's cool. Gets you a lot of extra kills because people are bad.
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
April 01 2011 23:12 GMT
#108
I don't think it matters much, just be sure to grab flash for awesome initiation/surprise rape
Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
April 02 2011 02:37 GMT
#109
I run ghost/flash. I've never tried ignite/flash and I should, but I think ghost/flash evens out because Q is in such a low cooldown that ghosting and Q will be able to secure a kill like ignite will, except not as true damage, but ghost also acts as an escape tool and positioning, which I feel on Ryze is very helpful because you are sustained dmg.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 02 2011 03:13 GMT
#110
On April 02 2011 11:37 Misder wrote:
I run ghost/flash. I've never tried ignite/flash and I should, but I think ghost/flash evens out because Q is in such a low cooldown that ghosting and Q will be able to secure a kill like ignite will, except not as true damage, but ghost also acts as an escape tool and positioning, which I feel on Ryze is very helpful because you are sustained dmg.

Basically this, IMO.

You can take Ignite if your team needs an Ignite (e.g. vs someone like Irelia), but for normal needs, you're not quite like a burst caster that needs Ignite to augment their burst damage--having Ghost will probably net you an extra Q anyway given how low-CD it is, and also has added versatility.
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BouBou.865
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands814 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-03 09:59:37
April 03 2011 08:49 GMT
#111
How do you go about Ryze vs Karthus in mid? His Q is free, just like marines, and his range is bigger than yours. Pray for a jungle gank?

Also, should Ryze go mid? I remember a very good player saying he should take solo mid (MagicFingers..?) but the OP says he should take a duo.
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Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
April 03 2011 16:07 GMT
#112
On April 03 2011 17:49 BouBou.865 wrote:
How do you go about Ryze vs Karthus in mid? His Q is free, just like marines, and his range is bigger than yours. Pray for a jungle gank?

Also, should Ryze go mid? I remember a very good player saying he should take solo mid (MagicFingers..?) but the OP says he should take a duo.

He can defnitly take a solo mid, he is just worse off when people trade hits with him, than when he is just farming (so I dont know why dou was recommended lol)
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zalz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Netherlands3704 Posts
April 03 2011 18:43 GMT
#113
Ryze is a pretty strong solo-mid but i generally find that against a small group of champions he is just utterly worthless and will without a doubt get completly smashed off the lane.

Most of the champions that really fuck up his game are the ones that straight up outrange him. Skillshots like the Ezreal Q are not that bad because you can block those with minions. The problem is champs with long range skills that bypass minion lanes.

A good Karthus will never ever lose to a Ryze, even if it's the best damn Ryze in the world. Ryze cannot lay a finger on him because just attempting to get in range means getting massively nuked, something Ryze does not deal well with.

The worst champ you can possibly face (imo) is Caitlyn. Holy shit does Ryze get his ass handed to him hard by this long range physical DPS. If you catch a Q to the face you can say goodbye to 30% of your HP, and she will be spamming it all day long.


Ryze does however crushes a lot of other mid's. His damage output is huge and even from early levels a Q-W-Q is very likely to pull off.

The low CD on Q is also a very powerfull tool. A veigar Q starts out at something like 8+ seconds CD i believe. A lot of single target skills have long CD's compared to the Ryze Q.

If you have a feel for most CD's you start to realize that when a harass takes place you can just stalk the enemy and land 1-2 Q's on them before their skill is even ready to fire back.


So Ryze is a strong mid but he gets completly shut down against very specific champs and if you think one of those is gonna be mid (karthus is a dead give away) you need to go on a side lane or you are done for.

Karthus is especially painfull because you need to put up a good fight against him or he farms his ass off.
Amable
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada3 Posts
April 03 2011 20:40 GMT
#114
I've been playing Ryze alot the last few days and loving it, however I've gotten crushed by decent Caits / Karth / Anivia, from what I've read in this thread theres not a whole lot I can do about Cait/ Karth, but anything I should know about laning against the bird?

also any other matchups Ryze gets crushed in that I just haven't experienced?

BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
April 03 2011 21:43 GMT
#115
On April 04 2011 05:40 Amable wrote:
I've been playing Ryze alot the last few days and loving it, however I've gotten crushed by decent Caits / Karth / Anivia, from what I've read in this thread theres not a whole lot I can do about Cait/ Karth, but anything I should know about laning against the bird?

also any other matchups Ryze gets crushed in that I just haven't experienced?



Probably Urgot but it's a skill MU, meaning that it can be won if you just play better. However, playing vs Urgot generally requires faster boots so you're not rushing catalyst just as fast. Ignite ezreal might also be a problem, but he just kills everyone at levels 2-3. LeBlanc I dunno, but judging from everything she should own Ryze in solo (I never lanes vs LB as Ryze, but I did lane as LB vs Ryze and it was a rape fest). Generally, strong laners are as strong vs you as everyone, Ryze doesn't have the subtlety in a solo lane, he either outdamages/outranges or he doesn't, there ain't any kind of a magical trick that will save you in hard lanes.

Also, a properly runed Cho'Gath might have a chance. Lol he will heal faster than you harass him out of the lane and it will feel very bad.
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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
April 03 2011 22:04 GMT
#116
If you run flat mana glyphs and quints you can win a lot of these lanes before hitting level 2, lol
BouBou.865
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands814 Posts
April 04 2011 07:06 GMT
#117
On April 04 2011 07:04 Juicyfruit wrote:
If you run flat mana glyphs and quints you can win a lot of these lanes before hitting level 2, lol


How does the +15 damage on your Q help that much?
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
April 04 2011 07:12 GMT
#118
On April 04 2011 05:40 Amable wrote:
I've been playing Ryze alot the last few days and loving it, however I've gotten crushed by decent Caits / Karth / Anivia, from what I've read in this thread theres not a whole lot I can do about Cait/ Karth, but anything I should know about laning against the bird?

also any other matchups Ryze gets crushed in that I just haven't experienced?


You destroy the bird before lvl 6 so try to force her off the lane 1-2 times and maybe kill her before she's 6. After Anivia is 6 she destroys every lane.

Vs cait you just need to evade Q and you can beat her. Karthus also isn't that difficult if you evade Q but it's not too easy.
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BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
April 04 2011 07:35 GMT
#119
On April 04 2011 16:06 BouBou.865 wrote:
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On April 04 2011 07:04 Juicyfruit wrote:
If you run flat mana glyphs and quints you can win a lot of these lanes before hitting level 2, lol


How does the +15 damage on your Q help that much?


It's +20 and it's 3 more Q's to cast from your initial manapool. Actually, wtf, 15 damage on a 3 sec CD skill is a huge improvement, what are you talking about?
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BouBou.865
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands814 Posts
April 04 2011 08:10 GMT
#120
On April 04 2011 16:35 BluzMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2011 16:06 BouBou.865 wrote:
On April 04 2011 07:04 Juicyfruit wrote:
If you run flat mana glyphs and quints you can win a lot of these lanes before hitting level 2, lol


How does the +15 damage on your Q help that much?


It's +20 and it's 3 more Q's to cast from your initial manapool. Actually, wtf, 15 damage on a 3 sec CD skill is a huge improvement, what are you talking about?


What I mean is that versus all the hard match ups you are having serious trouble getting even a single Q in. Hence, it's better to run mana/lvl because you won't be able to use this damage boost early on anyways.

Against matchups where you can Q to hearts' content you don't really need the flat mana runes. Could be completely wrong though.
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