EPTWait. 6+10+20 doesn't make 40% CDR. How come you talk about being perfectly capped?
[Champion] Ryze - Page 6
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BouBou.865
Netherlands814 Posts
Wait. 6+10+20 doesn't make 40% CDR. How come you talk about being perfectly capped? | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
If you're anal about it you can get the 1% that's left from runes (a single scaling cdr blue probably better than trying to get 2 flat cdr blue in there). | ||
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BouBou.865
Netherlands814 Posts
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BouBou.865
Netherlands814 Posts
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dnastyx
United States2707 Posts
So close enough to use those, but far enough to avoid getting hit in the face with nasty things. (Ryze is a bit tankier than most casters, so you can absorb a little damage, but you still need to watch out.) | ||
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BouBou.865
Netherlands814 Posts
Loving ignite/flash in SoloQ so far, but maybe it's a crutch..? | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
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Misder
United States1557 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On April 02 2011 11:37 Misder wrote: I run ghost/flash. I've never tried ignite/flash and I should, but I think ghost/flash evens out because Q is in such a low cooldown that ghosting and Q will be able to secure a kill like ignite will, except not as true damage, but ghost also acts as an escape tool and positioning, which I feel on Ryze is very helpful because you are sustained dmg. Basically this, IMO. You can take Ignite if your team needs an Ignite (e.g. vs someone like Irelia), but for normal needs, you're not quite like a burst caster that needs Ignite to augment their burst damage--having Ghost will probably net you an extra Q anyway given how low-CD it is, and also has added versatility. | ||
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BouBou.865
Netherlands814 Posts
Also, should Ryze go mid? I remember a very good player saying he should take solo mid (MagicFingers..?) but the OP says he should take a duo. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On April 03 2011 17:49 BouBou.865 wrote: How do you go about Ryze vs Karthus in mid? His Q is free, just like marines, and his range is bigger than yours. Pray for a jungle gank? Also, should Ryze go mid? I remember a very good player saying he should take solo mid (MagicFingers..?) but the OP says he should take a duo. He can defnitly take a solo mid, he is just worse off when people trade hits with him, than when he is just farming (so I dont know why dou was recommended lol) | ||
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
Most of the champions that really fuck up his game are the ones that straight up outrange him. Skillshots like the Ezreal Q are not that bad because you can block those with minions. The problem is champs with long range skills that bypass minion lanes. A good Karthus will never ever lose to a Ryze, even if it's the best damn Ryze in the world. Ryze cannot lay a finger on him because just attempting to get in range means getting massively nuked, something Ryze does not deal well with. The worst champ you can possibly face (imo) is Caitlyn. Holy shit does Ryze get his ass handed to him hard by this long range physical DPS. If you catch a Q to the face you can say goodbye to 30% of your HP, and she will be spamming it all day long. Ryze does however crushes a lot of other mid's. His damage output is huge and even from early levels a Q-W-Q is very likely to pull off. The low CD on Q is also a very powerfull tool. A veigar Q starts out at something like 8+ seconds CD i believe. A lot of single target skills have long CD's compared to the Ryze Q. If you have a feel for most CD's you start to realize that when a harass takes place you can just stalk the enemy and land 1-2 Q's on them before their skill is even ready to fire back. So Ryze is a strong mid but he gets completly shut down against very specific champs and if you think one of those is gonna be mid (karthus is a dead give away) you need to go on a side lane or you are done for. Karthus is especially painfull because you need to put up a good fight against him or he farms his ass off. | ||
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Amable
Canada3 Posts
also any other matchups Ryze gets crushed in that I just haven't experienced? | ||
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
On April 04 2011 05:40 Amable wrote: I've been playing Ryze alot the last few days and loving it, however I've gotten crushed by decent Caits / Karth / Anivia, from what I've read in this thread theres not a whole lot I can do about Cait/ Karth, but anything I should know about laning against the bird? also any other matchups Ryze gets crushed in that I just haven't experienced? Probably Urgot but it's a skill MU, meaning that it can be won if you just play better. However, playing vs Urgot generally requires faster boots so you're not rushing catalyst just as fast. Ignite ezreal might also be a problem, but he just kills everyone at levels 2-3. LeBlanc I dunno, but judging from everything she should own Ryze in solo (I never lanes vs LB as Ryze, but I did lane as LB vs Ryze and it was a rape fest). Generally, strong laners are as strong vs you as everyone, Ryze doesn't have the subtlety in a solo lane, he either outdamages/outranges or he doesn't, there ain't any kind of a magical trick that will save you in hard lanes. Also, a properly runed Cho'Gath might have a chance. Lol he will heal faster than you harass him out of the lane and it will feel very bad. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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BouBou.865
Netherlands814 Posts
On April 04 2011 07:04 Juicyfruit wrote: If you run flat mana glyphs and quints you can win a lot of these lanes before hitting level 2, lol How does the +15 damage on your Q help that much? | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On April 04 2011 05:40 Amable wrote: I've been playing Ryze alot the last few days and loving it, however I've gotten crushed by decent Caits / Karth / Anivia, from what I've read in this thread theres not a whole lot I can do about Cait/ Karth, but anything I should know about laning against the bird? also any other matchups Ryze gets crushed in that I just haven't experienced? You destroy the bird before lvl 6 so try to force her off the lane 1-2 times and maybe kill her before she's 6. After Anivia is 6 she destroys every lane. Vs cait you just need to evade Q and you can beat her. Karthus also isn't that difficult if you evade Q but it's not too easy. | ||
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
On April 04 2011 16:06 BouBou.865 wrote: How does the +15 damage on your Q help that much? It's +20 and it's 3 more Q's to cast from your initial manapool. Actually, wtf, 15 damage on a 3 sec CD skill is a huge improvement, what are you talking about? | ||
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BouBou.865
Netherlands814 Posts
On April 04 2011 16:35 BluzMan wrote: It's +20 and it's 3 more Q's to cast from your initial manapool. Actually, wtf, 15 damage on a 3 sec CD skill is a huge improvement, what are you talking about? What I mean is that versus all the hard match ups you are having serious trouble getting even a single Q in. Hence, it's better to run mana/lvl because you won't be able to use this damage boost early on anyways. Against matchups where you can Q to hearts' content you don't really need the flat mana runes. Could be completely wrong though. | ||
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