EPT[Champion] Ryze - Page 23
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CeriseCherries
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brolaf
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whats fc and bc.. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
guessing FC is Frozen Heart? and BC is Banshees Veil? | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
and/or Faerie Charm and Bilgewater Cutlass. | ||
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Raisauce
Canada864 Posts
On May 11 2012 07:53 storkfan wrote: Umm ryze with his new range, gets wrecked even harder by cass. seriously, just beg for top to switch lanes if you end up with him against cass. ahri is pretty troublesome also as she can charm and combo you if you try to poke now. I've always assumed that Ryze was one of Ahri's hard counters. He can completely wreck her if he gets a snare on her. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
On May 28 2012 05:29 Raisauce wrote: I've always assumed that Ryze was one of Ahri's hard counters. He can completely wreck her if he gets a snare on her. Early on in laning until Ryze gets mercs + negatron, ahri has no trouble bursting ryze down if ryze gets charmed. With his short range, it's rather easy to have a charm occur. If you can hit mid-late game on an even footing Ryze will start beating out ahri but it's by no means a hard counter. | ||
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Craton
United States17281 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
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brolaf
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ekra
Spain52 Posts
IMO early negatron/banshees is really necessary on him to win trades against enemy mid. Also, getting RoA after that is feels too late. But I've seen pros do it so I may be wrong. Anyone knows why? I just feel that once U got mercs, tear, catalyst+negatron/banshee's, glacial you get almos unkillable and do enough damage. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On May 29 2012 07:24 ekra wrote: I don't get why people get RoA on him. IMO early negatron/banshees is really necessary on him to win trades against enemy mid. Also, getting RoA after that is feels too late. But I've seen pros do it so I may be wrong. Anyone knows why? I just feel that once U got mercs, tear, catalyst+negatron/banshee's, glacial you get almos unkillable and do enough damage. RoA is the biggest damage boost to Ryze in the game after AA. It's also great hp pool which lets you be a bit tankier and the catalyst passive is amazing. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
boots+3 is core and then what I do from there depends on the lane A. Easy lanes tear > catalyst > RoA > mercs > Either glacial or another cata for Banshees B. Harder lanes Catalyst > negatron > tear > mercs/banshee > glacial The reason why people get RoA on Ryze is that he has actual AP ratios now and RoA gives a massive amount of mana. For example: Frozen Heart: 500 mana Banshees: 375 mana RoA: 525+200 mana It gives more mana than any of the other core items besides a pretty highly charged tear. With ratios of 0.4/0.6/0.35, Ryze also benefits quite a bit from the AP on the RoA. Essentially, a RoA is for Ryze, what a deathcap is for most champions, massive damage. The extra health is just a very nice bonus. | ||
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Diderick
Netherlands298 Posts
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arthur
United Kingdom488 Posts
On May 29 2012 23:12 Diderick wrote: I started building early revolver on ryze, for really good sustain like, boots+3-tear-cata-revolver. Is this to much focus on sustain? The thing with Ryze is you need to open different items vs every champion. Going Catalyst then Revolver then Negatron then Tear would be good vs Cassio. But vs Annie you'd want to go Tear then Catalyst then Glacial Shroud/Negatron and skip revolver until late. Different build every game pretty much. BTW I quit playing Ryze when he got his last change, but this is assuming Shoes+FH+AA+WotA+BV+6th is still the standard final build on him. | ||
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brolaf
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ekra
Spain52 Posts
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Don_Julio
2220 Posts
Since I've found my self playing a lot of league recently I stumbled upon this subforum (as someone who had every forum but BW and blogs deactivated). So I've been trying to play Ryze the last few days, cuz none of my buddies really likes midlane. (When she was free2play i prefered Ahri, but so much IP ...). I did really well against Veigar, Annie and Yi (happens in normals lvl 23) but got shit on by Fiddlesticks and Fizz. I didnt know about Fizz' skillset so I was really confused that I wasnt able to snare him when he tower dived me with this jumpthing. Any tipps on playing against this guy? Fiddle was a pain too play against too, these silence bounces completely annihilated me so that I was scared like hell to get into range to land my combo. I had better farm somehow but he got two kills in laning phase (and we were losing the other lanes too). I started boots+3 in everyone of these games. Additionally I have found myself having trouble pushing the lane fast enough too roam or too pressure the tower. Any tipps on how to push fastest with Ryze? Should I use my ultimate for it if I have enough mana? Or is like destroying the tower with the help of your jungler the only good way to go? | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Against Fizz, he is basically inferior to you pre-level 3 because he needs his charge (Q) to get to you without eating spells, and his jump (E) to disengage without, again, eating 1-2 Q more. If he only uses them he isn't doing a whole lot of damage so he'll want at least a point in his DoT (W) to make the trades worth it. Basically, abuse his jump's cooldown as he can't fight you without it, especially in the first levels, and try to snare him when he rushes you so you're sure to land some spells before he jumps. If you start boots and he doesn't you can follow him to stay in range and land 1-2 more spells when he becomes targetable again. Basically, unless he outtrades you at every turn and you would lose a fight to the death, don't hesitate to harass him while his jump is on cooldown. The biggest danger is getting slowly harassed and then burst down in one go when he hits 6, always buy some potions when you shop to keep yourself healthy. Also, against this kind of champs you can go catalyst before tear, as it'll give you survivability. Fizz's peak is in the midgame like most mages, while Ryze is a lategame monster. If you manage to farm up your core and some MR you should be able to kill him very easily later on. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
Before you hit level 4, make sure you're at full health. Fizz can try and abuse their available combo and all-in you here. To stop the combo from happening or if it does happen, ignite+QWEQ fizz and auto-attack him after that. You should be able to combo him down to 1/3rd of his health pretty easily and if you were full health, you shouldn't die from it. The moment you hit 6, you should QREQW,Q and base. buying a mana crystal+ruby crystal +pots +ward. Once you have a catalyst built, unless you fell seriously far behind, you've won the lane since fizz can't combo you and your combo hurts more than his does. Against fiddlesticks, you have to realize you're going to eat his dark wind since it's longer range than anything you have. All you can do is hope that it doesn't bounce to you more than once. Harassing fiddle isn't a lost cause as most people think. You have to burst him, namely QWEQ him from level 4 onwards. Harassing him with Q's isn't going to do anything really. At level 6 with blue buff, you should have your ultimate up for pretty much every other creep wave, Use it to clear creeps and send creeps into his tower. Fiddle is trash at wave clear. Ryze a terrible character at actually killing the tower since he has neither AD nor AP early-mid game. (AP helps kill towers as well, ~40% of it goes towards damage against towers). You want to clear the wave with your ultimate and just let the creeps wash up onto the tower. | ||
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