EPT[Champion] Ryze - Page 22
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Woony
Germany6657 Posts
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Woony
Germany6657 Posts
I think boots, tear, cata -> RoA, revolver, glacial looks like a pretty good core build now. then either build banshee's or finish frozen heart. when you need MR to survive lane you obviously still can get an early negatron and either build banshee's first or after RoA. final build imo RoA banshee's frozen heart mercs WotA rylai's or voidstaff. probably voidstaff most of the time now since RoA + Banshee's should be enough HP. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Woony
Germany6657 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On May 06 2012 04:34 Woony wrote: oh shit forgot. I guess with a RoA build you gotta skip the voidstaff. Mercs RoA AA FC BC WotA | ||
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Haasts
New Zealand4445 Posts
Also, if you're skipping Void Staff rather than WotA to make room for a RoA, is it still optimal to go Mercs over Sorcs? | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
void v WotA v RoA and mercs v sorcs is still situational imo - mercs vs sorcs - if they dont have a significant CC component or you are ahead enough to abuse your sorcs as soon you can purchase them, sorcs are decent, but mercs against most teams' CC is typically a better lategame buy if they're stacking mres void staff is probably still a great buy if nobody else is really benefiting from the WotA, its probably not a worthwhile buy - still has its place on a 6 item build if needed RoA should generally be gotten early if its going to be gotten - if you needed to rush that bveil early and need to build a new one from scratch lategame, its probably not worthwhile | ||
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ArC_man
United States2798 Posts
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h3r1n6
Iceland2039 Posts
On May 09 2012 02:40 ArC_man wrote: New Ryze does more damage than before (definitely more damage early/mid game and arguably more damage late game in teamfights) using the exact same build. I don't see the point of building RoA and sacrificing durability when the same old Ryze build is giving arguably more damage at all phases of the game compared to his old self. The point of RoA is that the AP gives him even more damage now. I use RoA situationally now when I don't really need the banshees. That's about the only thing I changed with the Ryze changes. | ||
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Mystogun
United States392 Posts
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SidianTheBard
United States2475 Posts
Boots+3 > Tear > Glacial Shroud or Negatronz > tier2 boots > FH or Banshees. Then complete the other one. Then WoTA > Finish Archangels > GA. If you ever get this full build (Merc, Frozen Heart, Banshees, GA, WoTA, Archangels) you won't die. And if you do die, you pop back up, can do you full combo again and keep on trucking. | ||
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h3r1n6
Iceland2039 Posts
On May 09 2012 05:40 Mystogun wrote: I can see the not needing the banshees, given standard team comps nowadays are ad bruiser ad jungler, but given ryze's range on his spells/aa do you ever feel the need for a little bit of extra bulk with the MR? or is the HP from RoA enough? Well, if their mid is not threatening to me (like a very underfarmed sion last time I went RoA over Banshees) and they don't have any other magic damage, RoA is a good choice. It's a situation where the MR wouldn't actually give you extra bulk. | ||
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[N3O]r3d33m3r
Germany673 Posts
- reduce Q range? - reduce W snare time? - reduce ultimate spellvamp!! WTF 15% is almost nothing if they would change Q back to its former range and give the same spellvamp as before to the ultimate i wouldn't be a sad panda | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On May 10 2012 00:40 [N3O]r3d33m3r wrote: new ryze sucks balls. i can agree with the focus on more ap and less on mana, but why - reduce Q range? - reduce W snare time? - reduce ultimate spellvamp!! WTF 15% is almost nothing if they would change Q back to its former range and give the same spellvamp as before to the ultimate i wouldn't be a sad panda V1.0.0.116: Desperate Power: Desperate Power spell vamp now scales to 15/20/25% from 15%. You really want to revert the last change done to his ult's spellvamp?  They reduced it all because he can cast more often due to lowered mana costs, and with more damage early game. Now he has to take more risks to cast, since he's got less range, making his harass more potent but also riskier. | ||
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[N3O]r3d33m3r
Germany673 Posts
On May 10 2012 01:18 Alaric wrote: You really want to revert the last change done to his ult's spellvamp? They reduced it all because he can cast more often due to lowered mana costs, and with more damage early game. Now he has to take more risks to cast, since he's got less range, making his harass more potent but also riskier. well yes? now it's 15% across all levels, it used to be 25 at 16 and onwards before the last patch <.< | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
or the in game tooltip is bugged | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
Ryze received a damage buff in exchange for reduction of his Q range, which is not a good trade. The ult's speed boost is barely noticeable | ||
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VashTS
United States1675 Posts
On May 10 2012 13:48 dukethegold wrote: Nothing in the patchnote indicates reduction in spellvamp. Ryze received a damage buff in exchange for reduction of his Q range, which is not a good trade. The ult's speed boost is barely noticeable I couldn't agree more. Like why even bother? Make it significant or don't bother, imo. | ||
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storkfan
493 Posts
On May 09 2012 00:30 Haasts wrote: With the changes, how have been people altered their Ryze rune pages? I've fairly much abandoned any sort of flat mana runes now for matchup-specific defensive runes (despite the MR nerfs) to survive his even-more-shaky early game and just focusing on last-hitting; past few rankeds I managed to stay even/ahead of a Cass and an Ahri, despite losing second blue buff to our jungler each time (Naut W DoT/Shyv W too hard to not turn on, apparently). Ran 9/0/21 against Cass and 9/21/0 against Ahri, but with the benefits from AP, has anyone tried a more glass cannon 21/x/x build? Also, if you're skipping Void Staff rather than WotA to make room for a RoA, is it still optimal to go Mercs over Sorcs? Umm ryze with his new range, gets wrecked even harder by cass. seriously, just beg for top to switch lanes if you end up with him against cass. ahri is pretty troublesome also as she can charm and combo you if you try to poke now. | ||
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