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-Kato-
Profile Joined June 2010
Spain1146 Posts
February 02 2011 20:49 GMT
#21
What about wriggles>Phantom Dancer on yi?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 02 2011 21:47 GMT
#22
On February 03 2011 05:49 -Kato- wrote:
What about wriggles>Phantom Dancer on yi?

Why PD over Ghostblade?

Ghostblade just seems to be a better way of getting what you need.
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Scorcher2k
Profile Joined November 2009
United States802 Posts
February 02 2011 22:00 GMT
#23
On February 03 2011 06:47 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2011 05:49 -Kato- wrote:
What about wriggles>Phantom Dancer on yi?

Why PD over Ghostblade?

Ghostblade just seems to be a better way of getting what you need.

Crits and movespeed like a boss obviously!
MobutuTheWindSeeker
Profile Joined December 2010
United States50 Posts
February 04 2011 22:21 GMT
#24
In my experience additional straight damage items are useless after yomuu's and the first arpen item because once they figure out you're absurdly fed they focus you like crazy. stacking bloodthirsters is much better and easily lets you do a quadra kill if they aren't paying attention. this is in unranked, though...
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Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
February 05 2011 00:45 GMT
#25
IMO yi needs a morgana or a QSS, he's just so squishy and useless after getting stunned.
-Kato-
Profile Joined June 2010
Spain1146 Posts
February 05 2011 16:54 GMT
#26
Cleanse is good enough
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-05 18:09:33
February 05 2011 18:06 GMT
#27
On February 05 2011 07:21 MobutuTheWindSeeker wrote:
In my experience additional straight damage items are useless after yomuu's and the first arpen item because once they figure out you're absurdly fed they focus you like crazy. stacking bloodthirsters is much better and easily lets you do a quadra kill if they aren't paying attention. this is in unranked, though...


w8 wat, u say additional straight dmg items are useless and proceed to tell us to stack bloodthirsters?

enlighten me plz

edit: after ghostblade + wriggles (if im jungling), i usually get either a bveil or an atmas, depending on the dmg type. the atmas needs to be followed up by another item tho. warmogs is feasible in some games, more likely i'd get omen or bveil or something like that.
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-Kato-
Profile Joined June 2010
Spain1146 Posts
February 09 2011 10:50 GMT
#28
When jungling with Yi, what is the optimal ArPen you should have?

Right now i use AS Quints and Reds and have 6 ArPen from masteries, would changing some AS runes for ArPen runes make my jungling better? If so, how much ArPen is optimal?
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
February 09 2011 11:54 GMT
#29
From my calculations, AD and ASpd from runes both seem to win over APen, at least during the first few levels. AD quints and ASpd marks are best, but the difference is so small that you should get ASpd quints anyways to proc more on-hits if you go razors.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
jtype
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
England2167 Posts
February 09 2011 13:06 GMT
#30
On February 09 2011 20:54 spinesheath wrote:
From my calculations, AD and ASpd from runes both seem to win over APen, at least during the first few levels. AD quints and ASpd marks are best, but the difference is so small that you should get ASpd quints anyways to proc more on-hits if you go razors.


So you recommend going Aspd both Red and Quints? Did I understand that right?

My jungle page at the moment consists of, aspd reds, flat armor yellows, mp5/lvl blues and flat hp quints or movement quints.

Would you say that's a good setup for Yi? Or would getting Aspd quints be better?
-Kato-
Profile Joined June 2010
Spain1146 Posts
February 09 2011 13:22 GMT
#31
I used to use MS quints, but have moved to AS, you jungle faster and safer and you already have high MS from your base MS, MS masteries (I use 15 0 15). ghostblade and ulti.

Thing is, would you go AS blues and/or yellows too?
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
February 09 2011 13:28 GMT
#32
All I recommend is: If you use offensive quints (AD, APen, ASpd) and don't have a special reason to take some other runes (Tiger Stance), ASpd should be best.

However there are more complex things that might play a role. For example some monsters might always end up with 5 HP before your last attack, taking an AD rune might allow you to kill them with 1 attack less and save you some time that way.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Papvin
Profile Joined May 2009
Denmark610 Posts
February 09 2011 13:55 GMT
#33
I've been jungling Yi a bit lately, and I'm confused about your route. Why not start blue? If you get a person to hit blue and then go to lane with the new deagro system, you can take blue without any q procs with ease, and if you're getting like 2 or 3 procs before red, you can clear the whole jungle without problems. I mean, if you don't have a champ mid with range or a ranged skill it might be annoying for the person who hits the golem, and he might miss a creep of experience, but imo it should always be worth it. Or am I just a huge noob :D?
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Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
February 12 2011 23:34 GMT
#34
So Strelo, the 2000 ranked player who almost exclusively plays yi, goes lantern+triforce?
Whaaaa?
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
February 12 2011 23:41 GMT
#35
Triforce? Really? What would that do on Yi that Phage + Ghostblade doesn't?
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 12 2011 23:46 GMT
#36
To be honest, I have no real idea if/why Triforce would be good on Yi but I tested it out after seeing Strelo rape on some of the livestreams and it works rather well.

Cloth + 5 hp pots => Wiggle's => Zerkers => Sheen => complete Trinity or Banshees => complete other => Black Cleaver => QSS

Ghostblade feels all out offensive while Triforce does give some added hp and Sheen proc.
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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
February 13 2011 00:04 GMT
#37
I would guess it's 1st proc with Alpha Strike, and then you kinda have to wait 2 seconds before you use Wuju if you want a second proc - but 2 seconds without Wuju is a long time. Same with Highlander. Meditate isn't really all that awesome for Sheen procs either... So how do you do it? I just can't imagine that a single 150 damage is worth the investment.

Phage + GB costs about as much as Triforce. GB gives some crit, and the active ASpd and MSpd, so the Zeal part is covered (and I would argue that the short duration active is better on Yi than the lower but constant stats from zeal). Phage covers the Phage stats, I think you will trust me on that.
So we have the Sheen part. Does Yi need the Mana? I don't think so, but I don't know. 30 AP? Not that epic, mainly 30 damage from Alpha. Now Triforce still has +12 AD over Phage and the 120-150 damage proc. Youmuu's has 30 AD and 20 APen. I would guess that's about evening out after 3-4 attacks. Not exactly a problem with Highlander + Youmuu's.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 13 2011 00:21 GMT
#38
On February 09 2011 22:55 Papvin wrote:
I've been jungling Yi a bit lately, and I'm confused about your route. Why not start blue? If you get a person to hit blue and then go to lane with the new deagro system, you can take blue without any q procs with ease, and if you're getting like 2 or 3 procs before red, you can clear the whole jungle without problems. I mean, if you don't have a champ mid with range or a ranged skill it might be annoying for the person who hits the golem, and he might miss a creep of experience, but imo it should always be worth it. Or am I just a huge noob :D?

I see 2 reasons for not starting at blue with Yi:

1) The cdr/mana don't really help your clear speed--on small camps you're probably going to Alpha once, and be done with the camp before its off CD again. Blue makes that more sustainable, but you'll probably run out of HP pots before mana becomes an issue.

2) You're not that fast at it. Alpha is great at clearing small camps, especially when you can get multiple procs, but its super slow on big buff camps when you're waiting for it to come off CD. When you take your passive into account, your buff clearing ability is just so much better if you have razors.
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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-13 01:46:38
February 13 2011 01:45 GMT
#39
Triforce probably just helps condense your damage output to more bursty, while giving you a little bit of everything else you need.

Yi usually doesn't alpha strike into his assassination target. He runs in with highlander activated (sheen proc) because then he can use alpha strike to dodge the incoming focus fire (another sheen proc), as well as close down on the people who flash away.

Can probably use wuji to proc it a third time, although I wouldn't know whether it's worth it.

If he happens to kill someone, his cooldowns refresh and he can start over, so he's more spammy than he appears if things go his way (and he's rather all-or-nothing).
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-14 02:05:09
February 14 2011 02:02 GMT
#40
I do something similar but completely different:

1/8/21
Full Aspd runes
smite/ghost
Cloth Armor + 3 potions
Start Wraiths or wraith jack, either way go wraiths -> wolves -> wraiths -> small golems -> bluepill -> blue buff -> wolves -> wraiths -> small golems -> bluepill -> red buff

Obviously change route to match procs and game flow

Wriggles -> zerks/merc -> situational damage items--sometimes I rush IE, sometimes I go bloodthirster, sometimes I go Ghostblade or BC or LW -> after you got enough offensive items GA/Banshees.

I play a heavy counterjungle style on (all my junglers but especially) Yi, I feel like he brings a lot to the counterjungling game. Your main strat is to hit a gank, clear the lane, take a tower and gtfo.

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