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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
January 16 2011 21:59 GMT
#21
Jungle Sion is retarded easy, get a lantern and do whatever, I'd probably get HoG after then go triforce before finishing Randuins + whatever cdr item you need (SV/Frozen Heart). You play him differently from lane Sion because you won't have any AP but that's fine because tanky dps sion to heal team in fights with cdr for stun isn't bad.

There is no reason to jungle with him over laning with him though because he's hands down the best top lane in the game right now.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 16 2011 22:01 GMT
#22
Only the second best farmer in the game. Why wouldn't you want to play him as AP? hurr hurr
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freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
January 16 2011 23:47 GMT
#23
On January 16 2011 17:20 Stealthpenguin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2011 08:39 freelander wrote:
I play Sion a lot.
Mainly jungling AD Sion. At times AP as well.

I don't think AD is bad. Yea, he has low attackspeed. But if you gank, you probably couldn't attack them at your max attackspeed anyway because they are running away from you. You have to run next to or behind them while hitting them, and in these situations higher damage instead of faster attackspeed is good.
Usually I just go lantern, merc, ghostblade on him.

APen marks, manaregen seals, magicres/lvl blues and movespeed quintessences what I use.

Your ultimate + ghostblade gives you a huge attackspeed boost. You kill squishies in 4-5 hits usually with ghostblade+green elixir.
Your ganks are quite deadly with stun+shield and your high damage, you can gank at lvl 4.

After lantern you can take down dragon with your ulti really fast (lvl 6-7). You will come out with max health also.

You can own with him really hard if you are fed. I also won a few TL inhouse matches with jungle Sion (not like it's that much of a feat).

About AP.. well the previous few posts had some good info, thanks. About skipping early Sheen, I will try that.


Could you elaborate abit on jungle sion, I tried some stuff out in a custom game but couldnt really find a way to not be super low when i hit lvl 4. What route do you take and and skill order do you take? I presume you start with normal cloth+5pot aswell?
edit:what masteries do you use aswell? In my tries I was running 1-8-21 since I was kinda winging it.


cloth+5 hp
My usual route is golems, wraiths, wolves, blue, golems -> you are lvl 4 with 60% hp, ready to gank that lane where your little golems are.
Other route is the same but after blue you kill red. You'll get super low, you go home, buy boots, then gank.

Skills are W, E, W or E, Q. You will be about the same health whether you pick W or E on 3rd level, but W helps more with wraith and wolf camps. At ganks.. W is 50 more burst damage, if you pick E thats 10 more damage per strike, decide which you want.
If you wanna red immediately after blue, definitely take one more W.

Important, that you should use W only once per camp before blue.
If you don't, you won't have mana to do it twice on blue and you 'll get really low, especially if you put two points on it.
Always explode it, never let the creeps completely hit it off you. If you mess it up, you'll get really low, especially at the wraiths.
This means activating shield at 1:36 by golems, you can take 3 hits. As you go towards the wraiths, activate it when you are next to red, and you'll have to explode it at the end of second round of wraith hits.
Etc.

Masteries are 19/0/11 or 21/0/9. I don't always pick havoc, i find 5% damage not always worth it. If you have 200 damage, it gives 10 more. If you don't pick it, you can put 2 points on buff duration and that's better imo.
And all is illuminated.
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
January 17 2011 01:11 GMT
#24
my solotop olaf rapes sion everytime so I wouldnt say hes the best. everytime other team picks sion i just counterpick olaf and get free kills top rofl
Brees on in
Unentschieden
Profile Joined August 2007
Germany1471 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-17 01:16:08
January 17 2011 01:15 GMT
#25
Havoc is awful because it only applies to BASE values, it doesn´t boost what you get from items/AP etc.

The big issue with Junglesion imho is that he
a) has no definig advantage in some category over an actual jungler (safety:Warwick, ganking: Rammus, etc.)
b) it forces him into his AD build which is imho his inferior aspect. You want to stand in the middle of the enemy Team and heal yours with the help of autoattacks and keep pumping out stuns? You are actually looking for Taric.

@Brees: How exactly does that play out?
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
January 17 2011 01:18 GMT
#26
sion stuns/shields you, you just W all the damage back in 2 secs, throw axes at him when you feel like it. then at level 6 you just kill him, he cant do anything about it unless he has ghost/flash.

if that happens you just take control of the lane and ward top bush
Brees on in
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-17 02:08:04
January 17 2011 02:01 GMT
#27
On January 17 2011 10:15 Unentschieden wrote:
Havoc is awful because it only applies to BASE values, it doesn´t boost what you get from items/AP etc.

The big issue with Junglesion imho is that he
a) has no definig advantage in some category over an actual jungler (safety:Warwick, ganking: Rammus, etc.)
b) it forces him into his AD build which is imho his inferior aspect. You want to stand in the middle of the enemy Team and heal yours with the help of autoattacks and keep pumping out stuns? You are actually looking for Taric.



a)
And why play udyr?
Rammus is a better jungling tank with ganks than Udyr.

Rammus can't take dragon alone, WW has worse ganks pre 6, you have the best stun in the game (and not you, Udyr). It's a different jungler. What's the problem with that?

b)
But you dish out huge damage while Taric doesn't.

And by picking Sion maybe you can trick them into thinking that you'll go AP so they bring someone to counter laning AP sion and not effective against the jungling one.

edit:
im not saying he is the best jungler. i don't say that AP sion isn't better, actually I think that the two aspects don't really compare but whatever.
i watch streams of the top players playing alistar, blitzcrank and whatever on their team. why wouldn't you play a fun character who is certainly not worse than the majority of the cast.
And all is illuminated.
Unentschieden
Profile Joined August 2007
Germany1471 Posts
January 17 2011 14:01 GMT
#28
You´d take udyr for his incredibly versiability. He can literally do whatever in the jungle, the point is that he is incredibly hard to counterjungle unlike Rammus.
Taric could do plenty damage as well if you build him AD.

Who would be that strong counter to laning Sion that would have issues with jungle Sion?
Sion is always countered by kiting, AD Sion just simply moreso because he needs to stick to a target but only has his stun for that while AP Sion only needs to get his burst off, then it´s fine to disengage until the shield comes back up.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
January 26 2011 00:50 GMT
#29
On January 16 2011 01:45 Chrispy wrote:
Sion's an asshole don't teach others how to play this asshole champion.

Chrispy's totally right actually. Sion's a complete and total asshole.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
January 26 2011 00:55 GMT
#30
Hahaha glad you came to your senses.
Retvrn to Forvms
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
January 26 2011 01:11 GMT
#31
so I tested my theory of trundle crushing him solotop after some one first picked him. first blooded him in 5 mins.

lol'd at strongest top lane in game
Brees on in
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
January 26 2011 01:28 GMT
#32
On January 26 2011 09:50 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2011 01:45 Chrispy wrote:
Sion's an asshole don't teach others how to play this asshole champion.

Chrispy's totally right actually. Sion's a complete and total asshole.


umadbro? I sense so much bitterness coming from's Smash's panth v Sion experiences.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
January 26 2011 02:00 GMT
#33
On January 26 2011 10:11 Brees wrote:
so I tested my theory of trundle crushing him solotop after some one first picked him. first blooded him in 5 mins.

lol'd at strongest top lane in game

yo, please rape my sion top sometime. I just don't see it.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
January 26 2011 02:00 GMT
#34
On January 26 2011 10:28 dnastyx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2011 09:50 Mogwai wrote:
On January 16 2011 01:45 Chrispy wrote:
Sion's an asshole don't teach others how to play this asshole champion.

Chrispy's totally right actually. Sion's a complete and total asshole.


umadbro? I sense so much bitterness coming from's Smash's panth v Sion experiences.

naaa, I play sion a lot now. he's just an asshole, no way around it.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
awesomoboi
Profile Joined April 2010
United States42 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-26 06:05:39
January 26 2011 06:05 GMT
#35
How do you guys play against Kennen solo top as Sion? I just can't really find a way to beat him. I try to stay behind creeps, but he eventually lands his stun combo and I end up dead from that + ignite
Kaneh
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada737 Posts
January 26 2011 07:12 GMT
#36
the same way you play against any gay ass laner...

farm. you can't beat them, then make do and try not to fall behind. call for a gank, you have a stun, your gank has a stun, win.




Sion is a mediocre solo because he is way too mana-intensive. If you force sion to use shield or stun to prevent damage, or you are a champ that is trivial to heal with, then he doesn't have any way to sustain any kind of pressure.
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
January 26 2011 09:53 GMT
#37
sion is a mediocre laner?
wut?

l2use mana runes and meditation + dring for mana

sion burst > 99.999% of single target healing healing (maybe excepting nidalee).
it doesn't hurt that sion is probably the best lane to gank for other than ashe, because his burst is insane and he has a stun. he can easily call a gank for those spam healers like nidalee and vlad.
even vlad has a hard time against sion, especially if sion gets an early advantage (and gets absolutely demolished pre 7)
Hey! Listen!
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
January 26 2011 13:41 GMT
#38
if i just farm in my lane i never run out of mana. though you have to actively manage it and plan forward a bit to have mana for stun+shield combo if you wanna kill someone in the next minute.
it feels so bad letting them run because you forgot to spare mana to your stun.
And all is illuminated.
Scorcher2k
Profile Joined November 2009
United States802 Posts
January 26 2011 14:10 GMT
#39
All I have to say is that everyone should be running around as a lumberjack now and singing. This is clearly the way to be an even bigger asshole as Sion.
laces_out
Profile Joined December 2010
United States10 Posts
January 26 2011 21:34 GMT
#40
What do you guys think about starting with a mana crystal instead of a doran's ring? I've been trying it out recently and I actually feel like the extra mana is more useful than regen early on.
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