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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On August 03 2012 13:57 101toss wrote: You deal with riven by going support nunu or banning her Every other lane you don't lose Can't lee do the same thing as riven? Combination of jumps and spammable shields and sustain make nunu sad. | ||
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Broetchenholer
Germany1950 Posts
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jacosajh
2919 Posts
Only problem is getting a team to utilize Nunu's abilities. I swear, you a enter 20 minutes like 4-0, 3-4x top lane CS, their jungler way behind, and your team decides to do the derps -_- | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On August 03 2012 22:02 jcarlsoniv wrote: I feel like top Nunu is very similar to Yorick, but even more annoying. You'll usually win lane, but you're highly reliant on your bot lane not getting destroyed during lane phase. As long as that happens, you win the game. Except slightly better, as BB is up way more than Yorick ult. As to the Lee matchup, I haven't tried it yet, but I don't think he chunks nearly as hard as Riven does with her combo, and you can somewhat counter his passive AS bonus with Snowball. Plus, he only really has Q to get in range (well, E as well if you're on top of creeps I suppose, which is slightly less mobile than Riven's quadra-dash, especially if you dodge the skillshot. His sticking power is also tied to his slow, which BB + Snowball should let you get away a bit easier. I can't imagine it's an easy matchup, but I don't see him as nearly as hard of a lane, imo. | ||
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jacosajh
2919 Posts
I've been trying to find the legit build because I'm doing Boots + 3 -> Philo -> Chalice / WOTA and it's fine, but I feel like it could be optimized some. I guess I can skip Philo with Chalice now that I think about -_- Anyone know what the best build is? | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On August 03 2012 22:29 Requizen wrote: Except slightly better, as BB is up way more than Yorick ult. As to the Lee matchup, I haven't tried it yet, but I don't think he chunks nearly as hard as Riven does with her combo, and you can somewhat counter his passive AS bonus with Snowball. Plus, he only really has Q to get in range (well, E as well if you're on top of creeps I suppose, which is slightly less mobile than Riven's quadra-dash, especially if you dodge the skillshot. His sticking power is also tied to his slow, which BB + Snowball should let you get away a bit easier. I can't imagine it's an easy matchup, but I don't see him as nearly as hard of a lane, imo. You're GOING to be in the creeps if you want to CS, though, and it seems like he can use E to land a short-range Q. Also, lee putting a few points into W has a pretty ridiculous amount of sustain, plus he can possibly pick up sustain from items too if that's not enough. I think the real problem comes that he can outpush you, though (and not be afraid of snowballs being tossed at him) and then go roam. Lee's roam is pretty strong, after all. The GP10s for nunu come at a timing that you're probably not going to kill your lane opponent outright, but aren't threatened by them either. For this reason, unless the lane is atypical for some reason, you'll have plenty of time for them to pay themselves off before you need "real items" (chalice glacial->grail FH) If you're dying in lane, or a small boost in CDR/mana regen would let you kill your opponent (aka you're going even instead of making them completely miserable) then you can skip 1 or both GP10s in favor of getting your core earlier. A WW lane seems like a good example - once you have your chalice, you can drive him out of lane until he gets his, though I don't think you'd ever have the mana to beat his Qtrading without the chalice. Smash, what do you think about going codex before chalice in lanes where you don't need as much mana? (like, their trading ability is shut down by snowballs, so you don't need to consume for health as often.) Still gives some mana, but you get earlier AP and CDR than chalice first. | ||
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necrosed
Brazil885 Posts
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
On August 03 2012 22:53 jacosajh wrote: Does Nunu's ult still go off if he diess? (i.e. does it count as an interrupt) I've been trying to find the legit build because I'm doing Boots + 3 -> Philo -> Chalice / WOTA and it's fine, but I feel like it could be optimized some. I guess I can skip Philo with Chalice now that I think about -_- Anyone know what the best build is? Well, it's been discussed to death for the last 20 page or so but this should do the trick: http://mogwaismusings.wordpress.com/2012/07/31/developing-solo-top-nunu | ||
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jacosajh
2919 Posts
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bmn
886 Posts
I also tend to not get many kills as Nunu even when I win the lane hard. Some of this is probably because I always take teleport/flash instead of ignite/flash. Does everyone think ignite/flash is a lot better? I always use teleport for an early back to get a quick item advantage without missing any waves; if the opponent didn't have to back already, he will after that, and I'm usually at a slight level advantage when he gets back. And later I often get to pick up (or at least secure) kills when bot is ganked or there is a dragon fight. But perhaps ignite really would be better. Also, solo/duo baron with nunu is ridiculously fun. | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
On August 03 2012 23:08 jacosajh wrote: Discussed to death is exactly what I don't want. I wanted Smash's original build, and didn't know about that website. Thanks though. It would be nice if OP was updated but discussion is good for understanding  Plus someone asks that question every few pages. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
Ward cautiously and ask mid to ward their part if you're afraid of ganks. | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
On August 04 2012 01:29 obesechicken13 wrote: One thing a singed did to me when I was playing normals as teemo months ago was he just kept pushing the lane as I attacked him, headed back, and then came to lane before I'd had the chance to push it again. Play like a noob. You don't have to always freeze the lane. Lots of champs can (some need a few levels) push the wave to tower before nunu breaks through their health bar. Ward cautiously and ask mid to ward their part if you're afraid of ganks. Push lane, keep tabs on the jungler, and nom jungle creeps Edit: SV on nunu? Cdr seems wasted if built last, but damn dat heal, mr , health is all good | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
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bmn
886 Posts
I'm only at ~1300 myself, but it has never been this bad. I usually get something like "nunu top? really?" or "i think nunu sucks top", but haven't seen any real trolling/raging yet save for some snarky comments when I don't do particularly well. The only people that really tilted were on the other team :-) | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
On August 04 2012 10:33 bmn wrote: Out of curiosity, at what ELO is this? I'm only at ~1300 myself, but it has never been this bad. I usually get something like "nunu top? really?" or "i think nunu sucks top", but haven't seen any real trolling/raging yet save for some snarky comments when I don't do particularly well. The only people that really tilted were on the other team :-) this was like 1300 elo. iunno man, teammates just seem to freak the fuck out. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On August 04 2012 10:33 bmn wrote: Out of curiosity, at what ELO is this? I'm only at ~1300 myself, but it has never been this bad. I usually get something like "nunu top? really?" or "i think nunu sucks top", but haven't seen any real trolling/raging yet save for some snarky comments when I don't do particularly well. The only people that really tilted were on the other team :-) In my normal Elo people just let me play Nunu top, no questions asked. | ||
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