EPTAlso played vs 1 Darius. Didn't think there was any champ who could zone Darius out of CS, I was impressed!
[Champion] Nunu - Page 22
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VashTS
United States1675 Posts
Also played vs 1 Darius. Didn't think there was any champ who could zone Darius out of CS, I was impressed! | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On August 02 2012 12:42 bobbob wrote: All you do is save consume for the sustain ghoul. Then he just doesnt sustain enough. He doesn't sustain enough, but when he's sitting under tower, it takes quite a while for the snowball vs healing ghoul to dps him down, even eating the ghoul =( | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11744 Posts
On August 02 2012 06:30 Requizen wrote: GP sounds like it'd be a deadlock lane. You both have speed, he'll orange your snowball, you'll consume his Qs. Nunu should win by GP running oom first, though. Also, his oranges have a far longer cd then your e, so even if he oranges the first e, that gives you a 15 second window where he can't orange it again. I think it should be possible to zone him pretty hard just by throwing snowballs at him whenever he comes close to cs, and you don't really ever have to commit to a fight unless you want to, even if he oranges a snowball and directly runs at you, he should not even reach you before snowball comes off cd again. So in the worst case scenario you will get hit by a q, which you should simply be able to shrug off by eating stuff. He can never force a fight onto you, and you outsustain his harass, while he can't outsustain yours if he wants to cs and thus gets lots of snowballs to his face. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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StateAlchemist
France1946 Posts
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
On August 02 2012 12:16 Amui wrote: Laning against Yorick is pretty funny. You outsustain him, but dps on both sides is pretty low. He bought chalice first though, which delayed the inevitable getting pushed out of lane. Took me ages to run him out of mana, even when spamming everything on CD. Doesn't Yorick get 2-3 sustain ghouls in the time consume is on cooldown? I mean, if you do it perfectly, eating every third ghoul is a big hit to his sustain, but it doesn't stop him. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On August 02 2012 22:19 Offhand wrote: Doesn't Yorick get 2-3 sustain ghouls in the time consume is on cooldown? I mean, if you do it perfectly, eating every third ghoul is a big hit to his sustain, but it doesn't stop him. At low levels it's 16 vs 10. But consume gets -2sec per level, Omen only gets -1 sec per level. Even at the start he only gets 1 sustain ghoul while consume is on CD, and by the time you have a few points into Q, he only gets that if the timing is just right and he uses it immediately. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On August 02 2012 23:39 Alaric wrote: He maxes E first and you only level consume second, though. So you're at around 14s until level 8 (or 12.5 if you skip BB). Pretty sure in the majority of matchups you want to skip bloodboil until lvl 8. There are a couple where the movespeed seems really key (watching smash play vs cho top made me think bloodboil @ 4 is really good in that matchup), but I think for the most part it's unnecessary. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On August 03 2012 00:13 barbsq wrote: Pretty sure in the majority of matchups you want to skip bloodboil until lvl 8. There are a couple where the movespeed seems really key (watching smash play vs cho top made me think bloodboil @ 4 is really good in that matchup), but I think for the most part it's unnecessary. You're also opening 10% CDR, so like 11sec at level 4. That's not that bad vs his 9sec E CD at that level. You should be able to kite the ghoul (it's going to chase you around if you're visible) or dive into the bush (they nerfed its sustain from attacking minions) if consume is down. Just don't leave it whacking you when you're going for serious trades, and don't let him hit you with E without snowballing him. Besides, even if the lane is a draw or a slight win for Yorick (i don't see how it could be a major win for yorick even with jungle involvement unless you're playing really badly - he should seriously be doing nearly no damage to you in lane that you can't nom off) Yorick is so useless in later teamfights because he makes you heal for like 900 every 5 seconds. And if you nom his ult and the clone zombie dies (let's say it's a 1.5k hp ad carry... nom + snowball is most of that.) then no res will happen for his ult target. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On August 03 2012 00:13 barbsq wrote: Pretty sure in the majority of matchups you want to skip bloodboil until lvl 8. There are a couple where the movespeed seems really key (watching smash play vs cho top made me think bloodboil @ 4 is really good in that matchup), but I think for the most part it's unnecessary. You're also opening 10% CDR, so like 11sec at level 4. That's not that bad vs his 9sec E CD at that level. You should be able to kite the ghoul (it's going to chase you around if you're visible) or dive into the bush (they nerfed its sustain from attacking minions) if consume is down. Just don't leave it whacking you when you're going for serious trades, and don't let him hit you with E without snowballing him. Besides, even if the lane is a draw or a slight win for Yorick (i don't see how it could be a major win for yorick even with jungle involvement unless you're playing really badly - he should seriously be doing nearly no damage to you in lane that you can't nom off) Yorick is so useless in later teamfights because he makes you heal for like 900 every 5 seconds. REDACTED | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On August 03 2012 00:38 sylverfyre wrote: You're also opening 10% CDR, so like 11sec at level 4. That's not that bad vs his 9sec E CD at that level. You should be able to kite the ghoul (it's going to chase you around if you're visible) or dive into the bush (they nerfed its sustain from attacking minions) if consume is down. Just don't leave it whacking you when you're going for serious trades, and don't let him hit you with E without snowballing him. Besides, even if the lane is a draw or a slight win for Yorick (i don't see how it could be a major win for yorick even with jungle involvement unless you're playing really badly - he should seriously be doing nearly no damage to you in lane that you can't nom off) Yorick is so useless in later teamfights because he makes you heal for like 900 every 5 seconds. And if you nom his ult and the clone zombie dies (let's say it's a 1.5k hp ad carry... nom + snowball is most of that.) then no res will happen for his ult target. oh please, you can't nom his ult. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On August 03 2012 01:57 nosliw wrote: nunu vs zyra? Nom plants and EQ to win mid lane? dunno, again, I watched smash on this one (so he prob has a better answer), but it looked like the slow on the melee plants + some misjudgment of zyra's damage looked like a real problem. Plus it's very easy for zyra to put up 2 plants at any given time, and I think noms don't actually kill the plants in 1 go (at least early on). | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On August 03 2012 02:11 barbsq wrote: dunno, again, I watched smash on this one (so he prob has a better answer), but it looked like the slow on the melee plants + some misjudgment of zyra's damage looked like a real problem. Plus it's very easy for zyra to put up 2 plants at any given time, and I think noms don't actually kill the plants in 1 go (at least early on). noms always take 2 bars from zyra's plants, so you still need to attack to kill them. BBing yourself and running around like an idiot made the matchup really easy, but when I tried to just trade and eat her damage, I ended up behind. It is really easy to dodge all her shit if your BBed though, so once I figured that out, it was EZPZ. | ||
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