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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
On October 13 2011 10:53 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Veigar sucks bot don't do it. DON'T DO IT!!! He needs levels and 2 people zone him much easier than one, really doesn't matter who your support is. Ha, I haven't played him in forever and he is a rare pick so *shrug* Is he really only viable mid then? | ||
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
I like to go q w q e q r, only last hit with q until about halfway through level 4, staying way far back, and only going into range of the minions to last hit. This both lets you not have to worry about dieing but sometimes causes the other champion to become a bit over confident (mainly in soloq  .)As soon as i hit level 5 i try and hit them with 2-3 q's while staying way back when its on cd. this puts them at 2/3 or 1/2 health. Then as soon as i hit level 6 they either have to blue pill, giving me free farm for 20 seconds or so, or, if they stay a flash-e-q-r and ignite if neccesary will finnish them every time. After the pill back you can just hit them with a few q's every time they come back and they either have to play super carefully or every time you hit them with two to three q's in a row they need to pill. | ||
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Jaso
United States2147 Posts
He has awesome damage output and an AOE stun, making ganks on him pretty tough.. And in the current meta of AP vs AP mid he's especially strong. Plus free AP for doing what you're supposed to be doing anyway which is farming. I realize he's far from being a top AP carry, but IMO he's not that bad. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21242 Posts
On October 13 2011 11:25 killerdog wrote: To people saying Veigar can't lane mid properly without ganks i disagree, you just have to be really passive for the first few levels. I like to go q w q e q r, only last hit with q until about halfway through level 4, staying way far back, and only going into range of the minions to last hit. This both lets you not have to worry about dieing but sometimes causes the other champion to become a bit over confident (mainly in soloq .)As soon as i hit level 5 i try and hit them with 2-3 q's while staying way back when its on cd. this puts them at 2/3 or 1/2 health. Then as soon as i hit level 6 they either have to blue pill, giving me free farm for 20 seconds or so, or, if they stay a flash-e-q-r and ignite if neccesary will finnish them every time. After the pill back you can just hit them with a few q's every time they come back and they either have to play super carefully or every time you hit them with two to three q's in a row they need to pill. If they see you took W level 2 they'll just gank you, you'll die without stun. Also any good mid laner can still stomp you and zone you back so far that you'll lose exp and farm. It's hard to just "stay back and farm" if they play properly. Veigar's range is too short and he can't trade hits with people who get close, that's why he's such a shitty laner. The whole anti-AP thing sounds great on paper until you realize that without ganks, you -will- die horribly against anyone who knows wha they're doing. | ||
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Cosmology
Canada360 Posts
On October 13 2011 11:44 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: If they see you took W level 2 they'll just gank you, you'll die without stun. Also any good mid laner can still stomp you and zone you back so far that you'll lose exp and farm. It's hard to just "stay back and farm" if they play properly. Veigar's range is too short and he can't trade hits with people who get close, that's why he's such a shitty laner. The whole anti-AP thing sounds great on paper until you realize that without ganks, you -will- die horribly against anyone who knows wha they're doing. So, are you saying Veigar is a shitty champ and not viable? or that he needs a jungler to practically babysit him? | ||
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APurpleCow
United States1372 Posts
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Cosmology
Canada360 Posts
On October 14 2011 05:45 APurpleCow wrote: Agreed 100% with Carnivorous Sheep. Veigar has a terrible early game laning phase and needs jungle support. Once he hits level 7ish though, he can dick on pretty much every hero. So is he viable? | ||
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APurpleCow
United States1372 Posts
I think he's one of the best AP carries right now. ...but his weakness is definitely his early laning. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21242 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
therefore veigar is op obviously | ||
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Cosmology
Canada360 Posts
Also, Carnivorous Sheep, what do you think of starting with a health regen thinger/2 faerie charms and going Philo Stone? And maybe even going into Eleisa's Miracle? | ||
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APurpleCow
United States1372 Posts
On October 14 2011 21:50 Cosmology wrote: So how can I play him with an unreliable Jungler in low ELOs? Also, Carnivorous Sheep, what do you think of starting with a health regen thinger/2 faerie charms and going Philo Stone? And maybe even going into Eleisa's Miracle? Veigar can still lane well against a lot of weaker laners early, and, again, once he hits level ~7 he has a HUGE dick. He's probably fine against most in low ELO. Philo Stone is a pretty good item on him, I like to build it and two Rings early. Gives plenty of mana regen for Q spamming. | ||
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Wala.Revolution
7579 Posts
However after you get blue with ult your kill potential goes up greatly. Most likely you won't even need the jungler's help - just e-q combo once and you're set for the kill. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21242 Posts
On October 15 2011 06:23 Wala.Revolution wrote: He doesn't need babysitting - because without your ult you have a low chance of killing enemy mid without huge dps from jungle I would actually rather have my jungle help top/bot or counterjungle. It's just that since mid is in center of the map your jungle just stops by every now and then and makes it easier for you. Play passive, you may miss some cs due to pressure but then get better at last hitting at tower. However after you get blue with ult your kill potential goes up greatly. Most likely you won't even need the jungler's help - just e-q combo once and you're set for the kill. I don't mean waste summoners or cooldowns or anything to try to get kills. Jungler just needs to walk by your lane every now and then and toss a skill at your lane opponent. Forces him to back off, you keep farming. | ||
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Juddas
768 Posts
The longer the E the more likely to land the W. EZ PZ but I have a friend who goes R>Q>W>E and hes says it is much better | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21242 Posts
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dignity
Canada908 Posts
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APurpleCow
United States1372 Posts
On October 15 2011 17:56 dignity wrote: I always got 2 points in E and then go max out W. Never seemed to have trouble landing W with rank 2 E. Then again this is also situational depending on how well you are doing. It's not about hitting W, it's about having an AoE 2.5 second stun. | ||
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Juddas
768 Posts
On October 15 2011 17:08 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: That's the standard build... LoL yeah I was a ritard and meant to ask if people don't do that... XD /facepalm | ||
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Juddas
768 Posts
take ghost teleport Open Amplifying tome and mana pot -Soulstealer 20<X<160 Blasting wand + Boots -Ionian boots -Morello's Evil tome turtle shell -RoA 80AP Needlessly large Rod -DeathCap -void Staff 682 AP + Farm 725 mana 630 health 35% CDR 40% Mag Pen now of course this is best case scenario i.e. full soulstealer stacks and RoA built up, but I really feel this is waay more viable now with less mana requirements. | ||
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