EPT[Champion] Irelia - Page 11
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ILOVEOOPS
United States4 Posts
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
1) I can understand why she goes tank, but Triforce? Why triforce? All of her skills are on long-ass cooldowns and Q doesn't even generate a Sheen proc, so this leaves us with W and E and it looks like a bad idea to wait for 2 seconds before activating E after W to get that second proc up. Idk, when I just looked at her, I was positive about building tank/AS, but triforce with all the useless stats it gives (crit, AP ugh) is beyond my understanding. 2) Maxing W last. I was under the impression that 75 true damage on every attack is like ultra pro, and the earlier in the game, the better. Q does like no damage and has 1:1 AD scaling so it's just an extra auto-attack. E is an okay nuke, but not a damage source on it's own because of AP scaling and cooldowns. Aside from that, we have her ult, but is a good DPS source really? The point of this post, of course, is not to provide a reasoning behind why this build is bad. It's a plea for help, because for me the efficiency of the build seems 100% counter-intuitive. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On March 02 2011 01:01 BluzMan wrote: 1) I can understand why she goes tank, but Triforce? Why triforce? All of her skills are on long-ass cooldowns and Q doesn't even generate a Sheen proc, so this leaves us with W and E and it looks like a bad idea to wait for 2 seconds before activating E after W to get that second proc up. Idk, when I just looked at her, I was positive about building tank/AS, but triforce with all the useless stats it gives (crit, AP ugh) is beyond my understanding. What? Q both generates and uses a Sheen proc (like Mystic Shot) AND is on a really short cooldown. That's why it's so good. I don't know where you got the idea that it doesn't generate a Sheen proc. On March 02 2011 01:01 BluzMan wrote: 2) Maxing W last. I was under the impression that 75 true damage on every attack is like ultra pro, and the earlier in the game, the better. Q does like no damage and has 1:1 AD scaling so it's just an extra auto-attack. E is an okay nuke, but not a damage source on it's own because of AP scaling and cooldowns. Aside from that, we have her ult, but is a good DPS source really? True damage is LESS valuable earlier in the game, because until squishies pass 31 armor, your autoattacks are doing true damage anyway from your armor pen. Q/E give you early-game burst against squishies. W gives you sustained damage vs. tanks, but sustained damage against tanks isn't that huge of a concern until midgame (though its relevant against some lanes). | ||
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
On March 02 2011 01:08 TheYango wrote: What? Q both generates and uses a Sheen proc (like Mystic Shot) AND is on a really short cooldown. That's why it's so good. I don't know where you got the idea that it doesn't generate a Sheen proc. True damage is LESS valuable earlier in the game, because until squishies pass 31 armor, your autoattacks are doing true damage anyway from your armor pen. Q/E give you early-game burst against squishies. W gives you sustained damage vs. tanks, but sustained damage against tanks isn't that huge of a concern until midgame (though its relevant against some lanes). I've checked like yesterday and I was absolutely sure Q doesn't proc sheen because that's like the first thing I've thought about. I can't double-check now because I don't have Irelia. | ||
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ryseungoo
Canada91 Posts
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
EDIT: didn't read well enough, I'm dumb. Everything makes sense now, thank you. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On March 02 2011 01:15 BluzMan wrote: I've checked like yesterday and I was absolutely sure Q doesn't proc sheen because that's like the first thing I've thought about. I can't double-check now because I don't have Irelia. You're obviously not going to get a visual cue for the Sheen proc (because Q procs onhit effects)--but it's fairly obvious that you're getting Sheen procs when your first Q 1-shots a caster minion and your immediate followup one doesn't. | ||
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0123456789
United States3216 Posts
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
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Craton
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
cloth + 5 boots sheen vamp scepter triforce merc treads GA GG (or BV -> GG if your team needs you to carry 1v5) | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On March 03 2011 13:01 zulu_nation8 wrote: so you dont get hog? Also do you get 2/7/21? I do 0/9/21 because... well, w/e, 4 armor vs. 1.3 crit, who cares. and no, fuck hog. Sion's the only character that out CSes my irelia during laning, why would I waste money on G/10 when it doesn't even build into a tanking item I want. (seriously GA and BV do so much more for irelia than Omen IMHO). | ||
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dnastyx
United States2707 Posts
On March 03 2011 13:01 zulu_nation8 wrote: so you dont get hog? Also do you get 2/7/21? 2/7/21 is good on someone like MF or Ezreal, where a random crit will sometimes instantly win the lane for you. Irelia instantly wins lanes anyway so whatever. | ||
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jtype
England2167 Posts
Sorry about that, whoever it was I told. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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