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Strykemard
Profile Joined April 2012
168 Posts
April 17 2012 16:49 GMT
#281
For those of you just starting out with Nidalee, make sure you decide which way you want to go first. I generally build her pure AP so the best spell for me to maximize is Q. W is pointless to put more points in either way. E is way too mana hungry for you to worry too much about it unless you are playing support Nidalee, which is like extremely rare anyway.

So in all likelyhood the skill order you should be following is R > Q > E > W, with the only condition being pick a point in W at level 2 or 3, depending on how much trouble you are having in lane/ how much you expect a jungle gank. If you decide to make out Q for some reason without a W instead though, just absolutely make certain that you get at least one point in W by level 5. The mobility with W on kitty is too wonderful to give up.
Perplex
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1693 Posts
April 17 2012 20:56 GMT
#282
So I'm working on a comprehensive AD nida lee guide with lane matchups, build reccomedations, the whole 9 yards. Should I just post it in a reply here? Or PM Neo or Shake to have it incorporated into the OP somehow?
http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/24238059
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
April 17 2012 21:08 GMT
#283
Post it in a reply and it will get critique or praise and the worthwhile parts will prob get incorporated into the op
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Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
April 17 2012 21:13 GMT
#284
On April 18 2012 01:49 Strykemard wrote:
For those of you just starting out with Nidalee, make sure you decide which way you want to go first. I generally build her pure AP so the best spell for me to maximize is Q. W is pointless to put more points in either way. E is way too mana hungry for you to worry too much about it unless you are playing support Nidalee, which is like extremely rare anyway.

So in all likelyhood the skill order you should be following is R > Q > E > W, with the only condition being pick a point in W at level 2 or 3, depending on how much trouble you are having in lane/ how much you expect a jungle gank. If you decide to make out Q for some reason without a W instead though, just absolutely make certain that you get at least one point in W by level 5. The mobility with W on kitty is too wonderful to give up.


E max tends to be better for ap just for laning as spears are relatively easy to dodge in lane. By the time you are actively sieging towers and objectives both your q and e should be maxed or close to anyway
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Strykemard
Profile Joined April 2012
168 Posts
April 18 2012 19:21 GMT
#285
On April 18 2012 06:13 Navi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2012 01:49 Strykemard wrote:
For those of you just starting out with Nidalee, make sure you decide which way you want to go first. I generally build her pure AP so the best spell for me to maximize is Q. W is pointless to put more points in either way. E is way too mana hungry for you to worry too much about it unless you are playing support Nidalee, which is like extremely rare anyway.

So in all likelyhood the skill order you should be following is R > Q > E > W, with the only condition being pick a point in W at level 2 or 3, depending on how much trouble you are having in lane/ how much you expect a jungle gank. If you decide to make out Q for some reason without a W instead though, just absolutely make certain that you get at least one point in W by level 5. The mobility with W on kitty is too wonderful to give up.


E max tends to be better for ap just for laning as spears are relatively easy to dodge in lane. By the time you are actively sieging towers and objectives both your q and e should be maxed or close to anyway



I disagree. This used to be the case before the heal got nerfed a couple of months back. As of now, the only reason to play AP nidalee is her spears. If you arent able to hit her spears, and if skill shots isn't exactly a strength of yours, you shouldn't be playing her AP. Play her bruiser/AD.

I tend to hit a lot of spears. Since I play a lot with my IRL friends, I love the "damn ! that damage!" I hear from them on hitting my Q's and they do agree that I'm fairly proficient at skill shots.
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
April 18 2012 19:27 GMT
#286
On April 19 2012 04:21 Strykemard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2012 06:13 Navi wrote:
On April 18 2012 01:49 Strykemard wrote:
For those of you just starting out with Nidalee, make sure you decide which way you want to go first. I generally build her pure AP so the best spell for me to maximize is Q. W is pointless to put more points in either way. E is way too mana hungry for you to worry too much about it unless you are playing support Nidalee, which is like extremely rare anyway.

So in all likelyhood the skill order you should be following is R > Q > E > W, with the only condition being pick a point in W at level 2 or 3, depending on how much trouble you are having in lane/ how much you expect a jungle gank. If you decide to make out Q for some reason without a W instead though, just absolutely make certain that you get at least one point in W by level 5. The mobility with W on kitty is too wonderful to give up.


E max tends to be better for ap just for laning as spears are relatively easy to dodge in lane. By the time you are actively sieging towers and objectives both your q and e should be maxed or close to anyway



I disagree. This used to be the case before the heal got nerfed a couple of months back. As of now, the only reason to play AP nidalee is her spears. If you arent able to hit her spears, and if skill shots isn't exactly a strength of yours, you shouldn't be playing her AP. Play her bruiser/AD.

I tend to hit a lot of spears. Since I play a lot with my IRL friends, I love the "damn ! that damage!" I hear from them on hitting my Q's and they do agree that I'm fairly proficient at skill shots.

lol how are you planning on winning your lane with q max? you think your opponent will stand still in front of creeps for 10 seconds so you can spear him?
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MCMilo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States365 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-18 19:48:50
April 18 2012 19:47 GMT
#287
Best way to end an argument. Just argue in LoL client where nobody can see you and do 1v1s or just play together and see how he plays... You can 1v1 me later Strykemard just PM me. Real useless to only talk and have no evidence to back up your claims. :DDD

Edit: FUK MY SPELLING TERRIBLE
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
April 18 2012 19:48 GMT
#288
Real hunters max trap first.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
April 18 2012 19:57 GMT
#289
On April 19 2012 04:21 Strykemard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2012 06:13 Navi wrote:
On April 18 2012 01:49 Strykemard wrote:
For those of you just starting out with Nidalee, make sure you decide which way you want to go first. I generally build her pure AP so the best spell for me to maximize is Q. W is pointless to put more points in either way. E is way too mana hungry for you to worry too much about it unless you are playing support Nidalee, which is like extremely rare anyway.

So in all likelyhood the skill order you should be following is R > Q > E > W, with the only condition being pick a point in W at level 2 or 3, depending on how much trouble you are having in lane/ how much you expect a jungle gank. If you decide to make out Q for some reason without a W instead though, just absolutely make certain that you get at least one point in W by level 5. The mobility with W on kitty is too wonderful to give up.


E max tends to be better for ap just for laning as spears are relatively easy to dodge in lane. By the time you are actively sieging towers and objectives both your q and e should be maxed or close to anyway



I disagree. This used to be the case before the heal got nerfed a couple of months back. As of now, the only reason to play AP nidalee is her spears. If you arent able to hit her spears, and if skill shots isn't exactly a strength of yours, you shouldn't be playing her AP. Play her bruiser/AD.

I tend to hit a lot of spears. Since I play a lot with my IRL friends, I love the "damn ! that damage!" I hear from them on hitting my Q's and they do agree that I'm fairly proficient at skill shots.

Navi's right, maxing q before e is something you can afford to do only vs really bad players where you could honestly be maxing w first. Good players will punish you HARD for q max.
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ExceeD_DreaM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada500 Posts
April 19 2012 15:27 GMT
#290
Unless you are god with spear chucking or really ahead already without putting points into E (and in this case, you would zone enemy out and spear chuck cuz he will be no where near creeps), or your opponents are complete utter noobs, you go E first. Also, no point going AP nid for just spear because it does pretty good dmg even on AD nid and you use it for just poking and last hitting a runaway champ.

if AP and AD nid solo lane vs each other at top or mid... AD nid will win convincingly
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
April 19 2012 19:11 GMT
#291
On April 19 2012 04:27 De4ngus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2012 04:21 Strykemard wrote:
On April 18 2012 06:13 Navi wrote:
On April 18 2012 01:49 Strykemard wrote:
For those of you just starting out with Nidalee, make sure you decide which way you want to go first. I generally build her pure AP so the best spell for me to maximize is Q. W is pointless to put more points in either way. E is way too mana hungry for you to worry too much about it unless you are playing support Nidalee, which is like extremely rare anyway.

So in all likelyhood the skill order you should be following is R > Q > E > W, with the only condition being pick a point in W at level 2 or 3, depending on how much trouble you are having in lane/ how much you expect a jungle gank. If you decide to make out Q for some reason without a W instead though, just absolutely make certain that you get at least one point in W by level 5. The mobility with W on kitty is too wonderful to give up.


E max tends to be better for ap just for laning as spears are relatively easy to dodge in lane. By the time you are actively sieging towers and objectives both your q and e should be maxed or close to anyway



I disagree. This used to be the case before the heal got nerfed a couple of months back. As of now, the only reason to play AP nidalee is her spears. If you arent able to hit her spears, and if skill shots isn't exactly a strength of yours, you shouldn't be playing her AP. Play her bruiser/AD.

I tend to hit a lot of spears. Since I play a lot with my IRL friends, I love the "damn ! that damage!" I hear from them on hitting my Q's and they do agree that I'm fairly proficient at skill shots.

lol how are you planning on winning your lane with q max? you think your opponent will stand still in front of creeps for 10 seconds so you can spear him?


I think the strategy is spray and pray.
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MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
April 19 2012 21:22 GMT
#292
This is a Nidalee discussion not a Twitch discussion
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
April 19 2012 21:38 GMT
#293
On April 19 2012 04:57 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2012 04:21 Strykemard wrote:
On April 18 2012 06:13 Navi wrote:
On April 18 2012 01:49 Strykemard wrote:
For those of you just starting out with Nidalee, make sure you decide which way you want to go first. I generally build her pure AP so the best spell for me to maximize is Q. W is pointless to put more points in either way. E is way too mana hungry for you to worry too much about it unless you are playing support Nidalee, which is like extremely rare anyway.

So in all likelyhood the skill order you should be following is R > Q > E > W, with the only condition being pick a point in W at level 2 or 3, depending on how much trouble you are having in lane/ how much you expect a jungle gank. If you decide to make out Q for some reason without a W instead though, just absolutely make certain that you get at least one point in W by level 5. The mobility with W on kitty is too wonderful to give up.


E max tends to be better for ap just for laning as spears are relatively easy to dodge in lane. By the time you are actively sieging towers and objectives both your q and e should be maxed or close to anyway



I disagree. This used to be the case before the heal got nerfed a couple of months back. As of now, the only reason to play AP nidalee is her spears. If you arent able to hit her spears, and if skill shots isn't exactly a strength of yours, you shouldn't be playing her AP. Play her bruiser/AD.

I tend to hit a lot of spears. Since I play a lot with my IRL friends, I love the "damn ! that damage!" I hear from them on hitting my Q's and they do agree that I'm fairly proficient at skill shots.

Navi's right, maxing q before e is something you can afford to do only vs really bad players where you could honestly be maxing w first. Good players will punish you HARD for q max.

Nidalee maxing E is already a pretty easy lane, maxing Q makes it a free farm lane.
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57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
April 25 2012 00:38 GMT
#294
I've been having a lot of trouble against AD/tank nidalee top recently, what are some good counterpicks?
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
April 25 2012 01:21 GMT
#295
Irelia used to beat her, I don't think so now (being able to withstand her harass is, I'd say, the most important thing). Pantheon can beat her pre-6, and if he beats her hard ennough, she'll never reach the tower post-6 because she'll lose 1/3 of her HP everytime she approches the wave.
Shen can do good enough, as in she won't beat him and he'll straight up outdamage/sustain her, but she'll outpush him easily unless he gets like wriggles.
I guess if you send an AD carry top (s)he'll beat her?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
April 25 2012 01:28 GMT
#296
Wukong if you go a fast Arpen build, Dorans into brutalizer
Rumble does really well because he outdamages her pre 6 and even in cougar form if you rush Revolver->Ninja Tabi
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
April 25 2012 08:51 GMT
#297
I just checked the OP, are the parts about Bushwhack damaging wards still relevant? It seems like the kind of stuff Riot would patch and I've never seen it elsewhere.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
April 25 2012 09:23 GMT
#298
not relevant anymore. They took it out along with the other ward revealing shenanigans (Corki q and striking wards with skills revealing a sound).
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ExceeD_DreaM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada500 Posts
April 25 2012 19:55 GMT
#299
wukong no chance. rumble can survive but nid can out farm her and outsustain. vs panth just take cloth+5 and go full defense mastery and farm. You will not kill panth, and he won't kill you. He will burn his mana before you even use up like 2 potions... You might have the best chance with riven, tryndamere, lee sin. if you are happy with just farming in the lane, malph and yorick works too, but likely lose too. vlad can also keep up with her. Fiora isn't too bad either. Rest are food for nidalee.
Mondeezy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1938 Posts
April 28 2012 21:25 GMT
#300
Is AP or AD Nid more favorable for duo que?

I just picked her up, but I feel like I can't really do anything except push the lane and heal myself. Lanewick just sustained through my damage and once the jungler was near I would have to back or eat a WW ulti and die.
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