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On September 25 2012 23:12 Holytornados wrote:I feel like this is relevant and the best part about Nidalee. + Show Spoiler +One of the most fun champs to play and can totally pubstomp with spears. Also a great bruiser. All around great.
This is staged.
I can tell from the bad acting and seeing quite a few stages in my time.
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On September 25 2012 23:35 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 23:12 Holytornados wrote:I feel like this is relevant and the best part about Nidalee. + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8gYqqd1dWA One of the most fun champs to play and can totally pubstomp with spears. Also a great bruiser. All around great. This is staged. I can tell from the bad acting and seeing quite a few stages in my time.
By jove! I do believe you're quite right!
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On September 25 2012 23:35 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 23:12 Holytornados wrote:I feel like this is relevant and the best part about Nidalee. + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8gYqqd1dWA One of the most fun champs to play and can totally pubstomp with spears. Also a great bruiser. All around great. This is staged. I can tell from the bad acting and seeing quite a few stages in my time.
I don't think people would really do that though. Just go out and stage stuff on the internet? No way.
+ Show Spoiler +Nidalee is lots of fun to play but I'm 0-4 with her in ranked. It's not that I have bad kdas and there was one game where my mid was fid and I got ganked at least once every minute by mid/jungle. I died like once to the ganks.
Stupid flash invisible bind op.
I just don't feel like I do too much late game. I build her AD since I feel like my spears start doing less and less as AP and I never join fights as AP. Just spear all day. But even though her takedown and E are essentially AD scaling moves, I don't feel like I do enough damage to change a teamfight. I dunno could just be unlucky.
Could also be my playstyle that I never splitpush.
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On September 26 2012 06:11 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 23:35 Dandel Ion wrote:On September 25 2012 23:12 Holytornados wrote:I feel like this is relevant and the best part about Nidalee. + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8gYqqd1dWA One of the most fun champs to play and can totally pubstomp with spears. Also a great bruiser. All around great. This is staged. I can tell from the bad acting and seeing quite a few stages in my time. I don't think people would really do that though. Just go out and stage stuff on the internet? No way. + Show Spoiler +Nidalee is lots of fun to play but I'm 0-4 with her in ranked. It's not that I have bad kdas and there was one game where my mid was fid and I got ganked at least once every minute by mid/jungle. I died like once to the ganks.
Stupid flash invisible bind op.
I just don't feel like I do too much late game. I build her AD since I feel like my spears start doing less and less as AP and I never join fights as AP. Just spear all day. But even though her takedown and E are essentially AD scaling moves, I don't feel like I do enough damage to change a teamfight. I dunno could just be unlucky.
Could also be my playstyle that I never splitpush.
If your team is not stupid they'll let you go to split push and they won't engage 4v5. They have to hold inhib and tower for as long as they can. Or otherwise enemy will quadra kill your team and finish the nexus in a minute. You are to be blamed for that.
Generally you want someone in your team to be good at holding towers. I guess alistar, heimerdinger, ashe and amumu would be great for this job.
Another key thing is fighting dragon, your team shouldn't try to take the dragon, they let you go to push top and fuck around dragon so that enemy team will be waiting for a good engagement which will never happen. After a while if enemy gets lucky, they should get one of your teammates and the dragon, whereas you get top inhibitor and a nexus tower 
In complete lategame, when there aren't any inhibs or towers you gotta go into team fights. Couple of hints:
1) don't stay with your team
2) always try to flank them and bait, when they run for you get cougar form and escape
3) you want to disform their team so that ranged carry and ap carry are left alone, all you need to do is to chase them, not necessarily kill, but making them do less damage.
4) never jump into cluster fuck fight, better get orignal form and attack from range.
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I decided to give nida a real shot. I love splitpushing and skrimishing and play garen&singed top as my most successful lane bruisers. I think I can transition this style when learning nida.
that said iam really confused about nida builds. there are two items I would consider to be exceptionally costefficient on her namely rageblade and sheen and its upgrades.
I've checked out alot of builds and what I like is that you can situationally build her in lots of ways. also alot of good nida players vary their builds heavily on the situation which is amazing. wicked rushed a thirster on her once, hsgg built her very tanky with visage&fh one time. you can see alot of ad based and alot of ap based stuff and alot of the survivability/bruiser items fit her as well.
As I suspected, sheen and its upgrades is the most built item on nida for obvious reasons but what I don't get is why people consider rageblade a pubstomp item on her. good nida players allways try to squeeze in as many autos and spears they can which is essentially what makes rageblade so costeffective. it gives enough AS for you to get some extra hits in and alot of free ap since she keeps the stacks up anyways the ad is just a bonus.
there is no item that matches the costefficiency of rageblade on full stacks and a champion who can use them can't ever itemize more efficient without that item except that champion needs other stuff more heavily.
I don't really get why rageblade is not the most important item on her besides sheen. can anyone give me some insights about this?
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While I play a lot of nidalee I'm still a novice at the game and can't answer this question to help, but I thought it was very interesting how TPA's Stanley built nidalee at the S2 worlds in two consecutive games vs. M5 (both times vs. yorick). AF went on to ban Nidalee in 3 out of 4 games in the finals. maknoon also took nidalee in a game in the group stages.
Maknoons nidalee finished the game up with: mercs, triforce, 2 dorans, hexdrinker, and a bf sword (almost surely for BT), something which seems like a slightly less tanky/more dmg version of the "standard" AD nidalee
stanleys nidalee finished game2 with: wriggles, spirit visage, chalice, 1 dorans, mercs, phage [short-ish game]
game3: mercs, rageblade, guardian angel, spirit visage, triforce, athenes unholy grail; i dont even know how to describe this, it's like a tanky-sustain-hybrid nidalee. if memory serves, the rageblade was purchased at least after the chalice, spirit visage, and triforce.
trying this sort of build was pretty fun for me, esp against guys like singed or vlad. who knows what specifically will still work with the new item overhaul but the principles probably carry over!
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That's because Yorick deals a lot of magic damage in lane (he won't auto Nid, he needs to auto to cast Q, and his W and E are magic damage spells), so early MR helps her. Also it's less about sustain than mana sustain: cougar form outtrades Yorick hard, but he has a very good sustain, so maxing heals and taking chalice+SV, he has a lot of MR, some CDR, and the mana sustain to spam heal even when on low mana, which allows him to trade with Yorick pretty much on CD and force him to rapidly burn through his mana, after what she can easily push him out of lane.
You wouldn't build that against, say, someone like Irelia or Riven obviously.
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Kennen also an easy rageblade stacker but yeah, rageblade fell out of style, the best options right now are probably Grail and Triforce.
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ad nidalee is an annoying matchup for teemo. you trade pokes with him but you want to go for more extended pokes (his poison does less damage when extended, you do more due to aspd increase from heal) as opposed to 1 hit and then run (which is what teemo wants). use your 3 pots, ward up so there's no risk of jungler ganks for you, but there is for teemo. go home, get tabi and chalice, shit on him
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any tips for laning against irelia?
since shes such a common pick its been a matchup i've done a lot now and it seems to go relatively the same barring jungle intervention.
1-7 i do well and occasionally great. rarely but not never (though it's only when i take ignite, and i usually take TP) i manage to get a kill. often i can get the tower by around 15min and/or accumulate a 20-30 cs lead. however, around this time or after (lvl11 or so, varies a bit depending on how much of a lead i've accrued), irelia overtakes me and i can't really handle her anymore (must run away from a 1v1). the slightest bit of success i've had is rushing an executioners calling and spamming its active on her, but it only delays my lead. the big problem here of course is that irelia's tankiness fits into team comps generally better than nidalee does so if i'm coming into team fights not even able to 1v1 her, i feel like i'm dragging the team down.
for reference i bounced between 12-1300 elo last season
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I keep losing hard withs nid vs darius, any insights on how to play that lane, or iis it just lost?
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Ask for ganks only trade in creeps so he pushes with q. Hit 6 before him buy page try to bait pull kite himand dont all in unless you have jungler help
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Movespeed quints vs Darius, 100% mandatory
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Nidalee needs a buff imo!
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You can get heal vs darius
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On November 21 2012 04:11 Wrath 2.1 wrote:
I keep losing hard withs nid vs darius, any insights on how to play that lane, or iis it just lost?
I never have problems with darius unless i really screw up, (although i've only played nida at up to around 1500 elo this season, 1450 last season.)
First few levels you can absolutely shit on him, just sit in the brush and constantly dart in and out, hitting him whenever there isn't a cs available, this should have him at half health before you hit level 3, and an early gank is a very easily kill. If he ever starts chasing you just run and as soon as he turns around start autoing him again. once he's lvl 3 ish you need to start being careful, if he gets a grab on you you will take a ton of damage, so what i do is dance around the bushes always staying just out of grab range and trying to bait the grab, because if he misses a grab you have the entire cooldown of his grab where he can't touch you, and you can probably deal 200 or so damage at least in this time, don't let him cs til his grab comes off cd again (this takes a bit of practice to get used to the cooldown.)
once you hit level 6 you can start poking him again, if he grabs you just r-e-q then w away, and you should out poke him (depending on items and whether either of you has backed.) At this point the lane can swing very quickly in either direction if either of you makes a mistake, because if he steps on a traps while around half health or lower, a flash-q-r-w-e-q + ignite combo will kill him, but if you are ever under 40% health you need to be SUPER careful because he can flash onto you, and dunk you in oneshot with ulti easily.
so long as you don't derp and let him grab you i normaly don't have any problems with him. Also he's a lot easier to gank then you are, (you're nidalee ^.^) so try and get your jungler to help you abuse his lack of escapes.
Edit: also, don't underestimate the blood drop DoT, that does wayyy more damage then you think it will, and after level 2-3 only spend mana on heals (which you max first) and if he misses a grab don't be afraid to heal yourself even if you're almost full health because the atk speed lets you get 2-3 more autos in before his grab is it.
When poking from brush, try and time it so you hit darius just as all of his caster minions have just fired a volley, that way you can get back into the bush before the caster minions retarget and shoot you. No point doing 40 damage to him if you get hit by 6 caster minions all doing 10 damage in return.
If i don't get a lead early/are in trouble, i sometimes like to get a wriggles for the sustain, pushing power and free ward. The pushing power helps if darius ever backs/goes to try and influence another fight anywhere else, as you can really quickly shove the lane to his tower, heal, and just melt it.
This is all just whats worked in my experience.
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I wanted to try out nidalee because I think she's pretty op but never got around playing her, figured AP nid out abit already but concerning Ad bruiser nid top, since I doubt the OP is up to date.
What masteries and runes are recommended?
still 21/9/0 or is 21 defense too good on ad nida.
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I prefer 9/21/0 and a full AD page (AD / Armor / MR / AD) on AD bruiser nidalee. Iceborn is alright instead of Triforce if you want a little tankiness, especially with the old build of early phage being a lot less good now. Locket is excellent. An early dorans (blade or shield) is excellent. Warmogs is excellent. BT and BOTRK are both nice options. Brutalizer can be nice if you can get a lot of free autos off on your opponent.
I use a Flask/Ward/redpot start, use the ward combined with your traps to allow you to safely push and get a level/creep advantage so you can auto harass from the safety of a huge creepwave.
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best top build for me these days seems to be manamune/iceborn/spirit visage. Absolutely terrifying sustain and dueling power, incredible turret pushing and pretty solid team fight cleanup. I have yet to lose a lane with nid in season 3 using that build, she's a fantastic champ for solo play.
Also I really want to see how a duo elise/nid bot lane would work out, good for making setups, lane control and punishing the opposing ADC stupidly hard when you get to 6.
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