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red_b
United States1267 Posts
I dont find myself having mana problems on Annie honestly. I might get low early game if I combo someone at 6 - 11 but after that the mana per 5 per level runes and the dorans are plenty to keep you at reasonable levels at all times ime. right now deathcap is too much stronger than other AP items and on most casters I play Im going for dc and void staff as my core items. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
I think Cata vs Doran's stack is lane dependent. If you don't expect to get RoA, obviously Doran's Stack gives you a better mix of stats, but there are some lanes where you do want the health-based sustain from Cata because Annie doesn't really have any form of natural in-lane health sustain (though it may not be necessary--I'm sometimes stingy about pots, and it's possible that Doran's + mass pots is still better in those lanes if you mass pots hard enough). On July 04 2011 00:00 red_b wrote: I dont find myself having mana problems on Annie honestly. I might get low early game if I combo someone at 6 - 11 but after that the mana per 5 per level runes and the dorans are plenty to keep you at reasonable levels at all times ime. I don't think anyone reasonably considers mp5/lvl runes useful over armor, HP/lvl, or AP/lvl anymore after the nerf. EDIT: Running out the numbers, the gold value of just the health restore (measured based on potions) doesn't ever come out to match the 45 AP from 3 DRings, meaning if you don't consider the mana to be useful and only need the health restore from Cata, Dorans wins, even in lanes where you have to mass pot to sustain yourself. If you DO consider the mana proc useful, it's a tossup. | ||
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Woony
Germany6657 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
The reason I think you should go Zhonya's right after Deathcap is because you can get the NLR first for extra damage and honestly Flash + Tibbers stun combo means you can get the jump on all of the enemy team's squishies, blow your load, and then Zhonya's so your team can finish the rest of them off without you having to die. Your team might KS you some, but who cares? You just won the game for your team. I saw some older posts and one more recent one talking about getting mana on her and it really isn't needed. You don't need mana in laning phase, if you run out you're doing it wrong. You don't need mana in teamfights because you do nothing more than pop three spells and then hope your team is competent enough to finish the enemy team off. I don't like RoA on her, delays Deathcap too much and you have less AP for lane phase as you won't get the 2-3 Drings. | ||
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Woony
Germany6657 Posts
On July 05 2011 07:39 TheYango wrote: Jiji uses his mass AP page (MPen marks, AP/lvl seals, AP/lvl glyphs, flat AP quints) on her, and goes QWQWQR, R>Q>W>E. He might have switched to W max first, but he was using max Q first last I checked. Seems like it's still the endless question of maxing Q or W. Ive always maxed W, seems like W gives you better level 6 burst but Q better harass (you go oom pretty fast tho if you harass a lot with Q in my experience) | ||
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Mazer
Canada1086 Posts
CDR quints/blues MP5 yellows MRPen reds 9/0/21 Doran's, boots, deathcap... win. Is CDR worth grabbing on her? | ||
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Woony
Germany6657 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 05 2011 22:02 Woony wrote: Seems like it's still the endless question of maxing Q or W. Ive always maxed W, seems like W gives you better level 6 burst but Q better harass (you go oom pretty fast tho if you harass a lot with Q in my experience) It goes hand in hand with the Cata vs. Doran's stack question IMO, since Cata gives up early game combo power, but the mana restore allows for extremely spammy Q harass play, particularly from levels 6-10. It's also dependent on the lane. For example, Kassadin should never allow you to land a QW combo, as he can always either Q you back or R to safety from your lead-off stun. Since most engagements in lane will be Q trades, with W very unlikely to get used, maxing Q makes more sense there IMO. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
But for someone who thrives on aoe damage, having a maxed w for any drag fight means tibber+w will drop the entire enemy team to lower than half. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 06 2011 02:25 Two_DoWn wrote: I like having w for that first drag fight/any ganks on you. Cant tell you how many times I've gotten double kills off of a jungle who underestimates how much damage w dishes out. But for someone who thrives on aoe damage, having a maxed w for any drag fight means tibber+w will drop the entire enemy team to lower than half. I think this reasoning was much stronger when Dragon was weaker, and junglers could threaten Dragon starting at level 4. As it stands now, the first Dragon often doesn't happen until past 15 minutes, and even then, often when the other team can't/won't fight for it. In many cases Dragon is just too much effort/not enough reward to be worth taking risks for. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32269 Posts
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
On July 14 2011 12:38 IntoTheWow wrote: http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=895789 This will probably draw their attention over to the incinerate bug too I guess. Then again this has probably been abused for too long now. It was entertaining at times pulling it off. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14079 Posts
On July 14 2011 12:51 Irave wrote: This will probably draw their attention over to the incinerate bug too I guess. Then again this has probably been abused for too long now. It was entertaining at times pulling it off. Is it similar to the thing with Lee Sins E? Aka just doubletap real fast and hope you play on US servers? =P | ||
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0123456789
United States3216 Posts
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32269 Posts
On July 14 2011 13:05 r.Evo wrote: Is it similar to the thing with Lee Sins E? Aka just doubletap real fast and hope you play on US servers? =P People say it has to be done with smartcast, but I haven't seen anything conclusive. | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
On July 14 2011 13:12 IntoTheWow wrote: People say it has to be done with smartcast, but I haven't seen anything conclusive. It is done partially with smartcast. It requires good ping and ideally a mouse with buttons. It happens so quickly the game thinks its legit. I've been able to pull this off with Morde and Karma as well. | ||
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