EPTI don't know why you would ever get Rod, Rylais is better in every scenario
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Yiruru
Canada690 Posts
I don't know why you would ever get Rod, Rylais is better in every scenario | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
That's obviously the scenario when a mana/ap/hp is better than an ap/hp item? Rylai's vs a fully charged rod is an active that you don't use that much with your stun for 130 hp and 725 mana. And rylai's costs 75 more gold. I actually only just directly compared them. I never knew that rylai's was so bad  . It always did feel underwhelming though. | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
if you're OOM on Annie you are DEFINITELY doing it wrong. mana isn't a worthwhile stat unless you are some one that can essentially use infinite mana like kassadin or anivia, thats about it. And ryze of course, but hes another story. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
catalyst --> NLR/BW --> deathcap ---> Rylai's ---> Finish banshee/void ----> do the other with hourglass being more of a luxury item...wouldnt see it to be too pressing on annie | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On February 27 2011 04:21 Brees wrote: wat? rylai's is 20x better then RoA lol if you're OOM on Annie you are DEFINITELY doing it wrong. mana isn't a worthwhile stat unless you are some one that can essentially use infinite mana like kassadin or anivia, thats about it. And ryze of course, but hes another story. You're saying that the rylai slow is 20x better than 130 hp and 725 mana? If I'm oom on annie it just means I'm casting a lot of spells. Maybe a couple hundred elo points higher I need just my burst and the teamfights over but where I am right now any prolonged fight my mana is getting stretched until I get my rod fully charged up. Like, I can understand skipping rod and getting banshee's (where I usually have mana issues at some point) but skipping rod and getting rylai's which is an equal cost for basically nothing else just boggles me. I'm also not a big fan of void staff. Like the only real time its cost effective is vs tanks/tanky dps who with your builds won't have nearly enough mana to kill. If I was skipping rod I'd go Catalyst-->Haunting Guise-->Deathcap-->-->Banshee->Hourglass//DFG Maybe getting banshee earlier if I need the mana/survival. | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On February 27 2011 04:57 Slayer91 wrote: I'm also not a big fan of void staff. Like the only real time its cost effective is vs tanks/tanky dps who with your builds won't have nearly enough mana to kill. Void Staff is actually already reasonable damage-per-gold against targets with ~100 MR, which is very much within reach of most squishies. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
Most ranged carries seem to build say a veil as their defense, which puts them at 80+runes/masteries, say just 86 for SoS builds, meaning if you have sorc/mpen marks/masteries/HG you're removing 15% then you have 73 left -50 = about 23 magic resist left, add someone with an abyssal and you're back to about zero. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
R 250 (stun) Q 120 W 160 E 25 Q 120 Q 120 W 160 (stun) total: 955 mana left: 195 And that's basically all done in less than 10 seconds. With MP5/lvl seals and 3/3 Meditation you regen about 50 mana during those 10 seconds. So at best you get 2 more Qs off and then you are oom. Sure, often that's all Annie has to do in a teamfight, but you definitely cannot say that Annie should never run out of mana; there are fights that last longer than 10 seconds. Sometimes you will use your stun in a small fight/gank, and before you can go back home you might have to fight again, but surely you want to get your stun up in time for that. And suddenly you have mana problems. Imo Rylais is not important on Annie simply because her role is burst and not chase. It's not bad on her though, no doubt. On February 27 2011 05:34 Slayer91 wrote: Does that include sorc pen//runes//masteries and possibly haunting guise though? Most ranged carries seem to build say a veil as their defense, which puts them at 80+runes/masteries, say just 86 for SoS builds, meaning if you have sorc/mpen marks/masteries/HG you're removing 15% then you have 73 left -50 = about 23 magic resist left, add someone with an abyssal and you're back to about zero. Shouldn't it be flat pen before % pen? | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
So its 15% of 36 so like 30 magic resist without abyssal. | ||
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locodoco
Korea (South)1615 Posts
On February 24 2011 09:41 locodoco wrote: just read oddone's guide lol his so different in writing for any1 that read his guide plz do note that his quite an asshole in vent lol User was temp banned for this post. -.-;; i was 2 days banned for calling oddone an asshole...................... OBVIOUS SARCASM IS NOT SO OBVIOUS | ||
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Craton
United States17281 Posts
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
Rush RoA or rush Deathcap? Cata -> DC -> Banshees? Base that on what? Skill order? I assume QWQE Q > W > E. Or max W instead? | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3890 Posts
On July 03 2011 16:40 r.Evo wrote: Random question, since this is kinda outdated. Rush RoA or rush Deathcap? Cata -> DC -> Banshees? Base that on what? Skill order? I assume QWQE Q > W > E. Or max W instead? I've been playing lots annie lately just cause she's really really powerful right now, and I never get cata/roa first. I open boots + 3 pots or doran's ring, depends if I feel like I'll get harassment back or not. Max W first imo, that's how I've always done it, I don't get E until later like the lvl 7-8 level, I like the added burst for level 6 combo get a few(2-3) doran's rings and sorcerer boots depending on how your lanes going, or just get a NLR, then get Deathcap asap. I then mix it up, most often get a void staff, or get banshees, then I'll usually get the other, after that it's kind of up to you AP is good on her especially if you have a deathcap. Sometimes I don't get banshees cause im so far ahead, and just get giant's belt instead, then I get abyssal specter, than i get rylai's if the game is really still going that long. Also, I will get merc treads quite a bit of the time, i've never gotten ionian boots, but I think it's probably ok if you get void staff fast. | ||
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Makavw
Croatia165 Posts
As the upper poster said - 2-3 dorans, sorc shoes, deathcap and then you chose. Zhyonas is good if they focus you alot since is the only real defensive item that can help you in that case. I max q over w since it gives me better harass and i dont take a single point in E until both qw are maxed. | ||
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Woony
Germany6657 Posts
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
Doran's and cata are fine. I prefer cata, and more prefer RoA for the extra hp before deathcap, but if you're doing really well deathcap after cata/dorans is never bad to increase your damage output. Her AP ratios aren't huge so usually magic pen is more important early on and you get that from runes + sorc anyway and that covers you for a long while. I'm not a fan of haunting guise even though technically it's good on annie. Fuck that item. Deathcap all the way. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
Why the hell would a caster with 600+ range need more HP than a ranged DPS with 550 range? Because the AD has to stay in that range for the whole time and the caster can retreat while waiting for CDs? Oh wait, makes no sense. Annie goes in, drops Tibbers and W, everyone's stunned while she pulls back a little and spams Q. No need for tons of HP there. If you don't get Deathcap early, you throw away most of your midgame burst potential. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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