On October 28 2015 12:51 ClaudeSc2 wrote: Really hate casuals complaining and saying they've reverted Legacy back to Hots because they can't handle macro mechanics. Why can't people just be happy by competing in Platinum league against other players who can't use macro mechanics correctly? Don't cry and say you'd be masters or GM based on your strategies, being able to understand how to pull off a specific strategy, 7 gate adept all in or a 2 base ling bane bust, doesn't mean you should be master or GM. I'm fine with a temp ban for this post also.
User was temp banned for this post.
Really?......he got temp banned for this post?...Really?.....Wtf is wrong with TL admins?.....Quite embarrassing i say...
I fucking love LOTV!!! It's fast , it's FUN, it's competitive, it's responsive (when the latency is small ), it's a bit unbalanced (so what?......i don't care cause it's FUN!!!) BEST RTS OUT THERE!!!!!....... sorry HotS you've been dethroned!!!
On October 28 2015 12:51 ClaudeSc2 wrote: Really hate casuals complaining and saying they've reverted Legacy back to Hots because they can't handle macro mechanics. Why can't people just be happy by competing in Platinum league against other players who can't use macro mechanics correctly? Don't cry and say you'd be masters or GM based on your strategies, being able to understand how to pull off a specific strategy, 7 gate adept all in or a 2 base ling bane bust, doesn't mean you should be master or GM. I'm fine with a temp ban for this post also.
User was temp banned for this post.
Really?......he got temp banned for this post?...Really?.....Wtf is wrong with TL admins?.....Quite embarrassing i say...
On October 28 2015 12:51 ClaudeSc2 wrote: Really hate casuals complaining and saying they've reverted Legacy back to Hots because they can't handle macro mechanics. Why can't people just be happy by competing in Platinum league against other players who can't use macro mechanics correctly? Don't cry and say you'd be masters or GM based on your strategies, being able to understand how to pull off a specific strategy, 7 gate adept all in or a 2 base ling bane bust, doesn't mean you should be master or GM. I'm fine with a temp ban for this post also.
User was temp banned for this post.
Really?......he got temp banned for this post?...Really?.....Wtf is wrong with TL admins?.....Quite embarrassing i say...
Last time I seen, it is not allowed to comment about admins doing their job on TL..
On October 27 2015 09:23 Big J wrote: Makes me sad for the future of this game, although it was a given with the release coming up.
I feel you man... Hope they do some big changes after release maybe.
I personally stopped playing SC2 a number of months ago. I played a bit when LotV was released. I was pretty interested at first but quickly lost interest after their patches degraded so fast, even after getting a decent sized following on youtube. If the game doesn't change I probably won't bother to play again after release. As of right now I don't even have the game pre-ordered... :l
Blade and Soul this weekend and their e-sports scene is probably bigger in korea than sc2 honestly >.>.... Plus they have plans for world championship, this year and next year to include NA/EU... Blizzard really falling behind with the whole e-sports thing... :l
Man I get that you are disappointed in things but wtf are you on about bringing Blade & Soul into this discussion? A game where you can buy statboosting potions in a cash shop is hardly built to have a proper and healthy eSports scene.
Just because companies throw money at their game and scream "ESPORTS!!!!" doesn't mean they're the godsend savior for eSports. Not even talking about the fact that these are entirely different games, but simply the fact that many companies using eSports as the new marketing strategy. Keep in mind Blade & Soul has been out for a while in Korea and they're making money off of the game pretty well and eSports is rising in popularity, so of course they can't miss out on this.
Blizzard has done more for eSports than companies like these ever will.
Also, we have yet to see what Blizzard really has in store for LotV. I agree they're rushing LotV out atm, but maybe thats out of their hands. However if they have proper plans post-release there's nothing to cry about. With the new features in SC2, we have reason to believe they still care enough.
I will never get people going to other games just because they promised something. Surely if they promised it, they must deliver it, right? Even if it is a completely different game, it must be better!
Meh. I guess what I'm trying to say is: The failure of Blizzard to properly satisfy all of the community can not be used as a reason to think that other companies will do it better.
Uh, I don't really want to get into this discussion but my point is actually pretty valid so lets do just a little bit... Each season of the blade and soul korean league is like ~100k$ prize pool, they've already had like 2-3 years of tournaments and if u've seen the latest videos you'd know that the crowds at each bracket stage is generally more filled than the GSL venues have been. Even the finals for world championships (asia region, hence my post) last year were probably just as big, if not bigger than recent GSLs (probably not proleagues though)... If anything what you've stated only proves you know nothing about the game... their arena for the past 2+years has been stat equalized for eSports. The shit you typed about only remotely matters for PvP or leveling progression which has nothing to do with the competitive side of the game @_@;; videos below... + Show Spoiler +
The point of my post was only to say that as a long time follower of blizzard games (I have played since iccup..) I have almost completely lost interest with blizzard's approach to games. You shouldn't let that shouldn't rustle you too much dawg.
On October 27 2015 09:23 Big J wrote: Makes me sad for the future of this game, although it was a given with the release coming up.
I feel you man... Hope they do some big changes after release maybe.
I personally stopped playing SC2 a number of months ago. I played a bit when LotV was released. I was pretty interested at first but quickly lost interest after their patches degraded so fast, even after getting a decent sized following on youtube. If the game doesn't change I probably won't bother to play again after release. As of right now I don't even have the game pre-ordered... :l
Blade and Soul this weekend and their e-sports scene is probably bigger in korea than sc2 honestly >.>.... Plus they have plans for world championship, this year and next year to include NA/EU... Blizzard really falling behind with the whole e-sports thing... :l
Man I get that you are disappointed in things but wtf are you on about bringing Blade & Soul into this discussion? A game where you can buy statboosting potions in a cash shop is hardly built to have a proper and healthy eSports scene.
Just because companies throw money at their game and scream "ESPORTS!!!!" doesn't mean they're the godsend savior for eSports. Not even talking about the fact that these are entirely different games, but simply the fact that many companies using eSports as the new marketing strategy. Keep in mind Blade & Soul has been out for a while in Korea and they're making money off of the game pretty well and eSports is rising in popularity, so of course they can't miss out on this.
Blizzard has done more for eSports than companies like these ever will.
Also, we have yet to see what Blizzard really has in store for LotV. I agree they're rushing LotV out atm, but maybe thats out of their hands. However if they have proper plans post-release there's nothing to cry about. With the new features in SC2, we have reason to believe they still care enough.
I will never get people going to other games just because they promised something. Surely if they promised it, they must deliver it, right? Even if it is a completely different game, it must be better!
Meh. I guess what I'm trying to say is: The failure of Blizzard to properly satisfy all of the community can not be used as a reason to think that other companies will do it better.
Uh, I don't really want to get into this discussion but my point is actually pretty valid so lets do just a little bit... Each season of the blade and soul korean league is like ~100k$ prize pool, they've already had like 2-3 years of tournaments and if u've seen the latest videos you'd know that the crowds at each bracket stage is generally more filled than the GSL venues have been. Even the finals for world championships (asia region, hence my post) last year were probably just as big, if not bigger than recent GSLs (probably not proleagues though)... If anything what you've stated only proves you know nothing about the game... their arena for the past 2+years has been stat equalized for eSports. The shit you typed about only remotely matters for PvP or leveling progression which has nothing to do with the competitive side of the game @_@;; videos below... + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y20cNtgn5CE
The point of my post was only to say that as a long time follower of blizzard games (I have played since iccup..) I have almost completely lost interest with blizzard's approach to games. You shouldn't let that shouldn't rustle you too much dawg.
Yes, I get that those companies try to make it an eSport. And because if you play a certain game, you're likely to watch tournaments for it's as well, so naturally popular games get a certain audience by default.
But that doesn't mean they're a blessing for eSports. And if you look at what games are played/viewed in a competetive environment in asia, you'd have to call every game out there an eSport, because almost everything is played that way. Even in the West it has started with ArenaNet pumping money into GW2 even though in the past years there hasn't been any real interest. But now that there's money on the line there are suddenly teams forming. Did GW2 change for the better, or is it just that large player base + money = "ESPORTS!!!"?
Also, it's okay that you lost interest in Blizzard games. If you like Blade & Soul more thats fine, too. But don't act like it's Blizzard fault - what are they supposed to do? Make StarCraft a third person MMO with revealing skins? (I'm going to drop the P2W discussion, because frankly I don't care enough about korean MMOs anymore after I got burned by the past ones. So if it's not P2W thats cool, doesn't change that it's an entirely different game).
Starcraft II is rising in Korea. It's still in the top 10 on gamenote which it hasn't been since ever. I get that you're disappointed, but you're in a vocal minority.
Lastly I'd appreciate it if you left out the dank memes when you talk with me. Twitch chat is over there.
On October 28 2015 05:10 brickrd wrote: you can't complete the balance of the game without seeing months of pro level play, so they have to release it. complaints that it's premature are just a reflection of this community never ever being satisfied or happy, we're mostly a very negative and vindictive bunch
And that's the reason why we don't get good, varied gameplay. "We need to confirm for 22months straight that Mech TvP isn't viable, before we consider changing it!" 22months later: "We won't change balance now, pros will complain if we do too many balance changes. The game is what it is!"
lol exactly!
I've been on a rollercoster with this BETA; at first i was super excited about the goals, like changing the eco, making mech viable vs P, no more Colossus as the centre piece, lurker; but as things progressed i was more and more disappointed with the direction. Air units to strong, all about fast units and not enough positional play, not enough big changes to the eco
So i don't know, it's more adventurous then HOTS, but is it enough? I'll wait on buying it like i did with HOTS.
On October 28 2015 05:10 brickrd wrote: you can't complete the balance of the game without seeing months of pro level play, so they have to release it. complaints that it's premature are just a reflection of this community never ever being satisfied or happy, we're mostly a very negative and vindictive bunch
And that's the reason why we don't get good, varied gameplay. "We need to confirm for 22months straight that Mech TvP isn't viable, before we consider changing it!" 22months later: "We won't change balance now, pros will complain if we do too many balance changes. The game is what it is!"
lol exactly!
I've been on a rollercoster with this BETA; at first i was super excited about the goals, like changing the eco, making mech viable vs P, no more Colossus as the centre piece, lurker; but as things progressed i was more and more disappointed with the direction. Air units to strong, all about fast units and not enough positional play, not enough big changes to the eco
So i don't know, it's more adventurous then HOTS, but is it enough? I'll wait on buying it like i did with HOTS.
You should watch this game
Maybe it just takes really(REALLY) good players to play LotV. David Kim has said multiplet times that they're still waiting for more SC2 Pros to switch to LotV.
This means the players wont be able to practice for TB's tournament which is kinda super important since some of them are still preparing for blizzcon and haven't played it much.
On October 28 2015 19:05 Popparockz wrote: This means the players wont be able to practice for TB's tournament which is kinda super important since some of them are still preparing for blizzcon and haven't played it much.
Which is exactly why we have to wait until those things are over and they start having serious time for LotV.
I don't really understand these posts how LOTV is happening too soon and how the game isn't balanced yet. Both WOL and HOTS(and even original SC and BW) had their fair share of balance changes and poor game balance periods that happened because of the units or maps. There were plenty of strategies that seemed quite broken only to be figured out after a few months or with the changes of the maps.
Balance never was perfect and never will be perfect. I've enjoyed these DH qualifiers for LOTV more than I've enjoyed watching HOTS in the past 6 months. For me the game is clearly better even though it has some stuff that needs changing, but I will give it a time. Top tier Koreans barely even touched the game, and we have to wait and see what they will be able to do.
On October 27 2015 09:23 Big J wrote: Makes me sad for the future of this game, although it was a given with the release coming up.
I feel you man... Hope they do some big changes after release maybe.
I personally stopped playing SC2 a number of months ago. I played a bit when LotV was released. I was pretty interested at first but quickly lost interest after their patches degraded so fast, even after getting a decent sized following on youtube. If the game doesn't change I probably won't bother to play again after release. As of right now I don't even have the game pre-ordered... :l
Blade and Soul this weekend and their e-sports scene is probably bigger in korea than sc2 honestly >.>.... Plus they have plans for world championship, this year and next year to include NA/EU... Blizzard really falling behind with the whole e-sports thing... :l
Man I get that you are disappointed in things but wtf are you on about bringing Blade & Soul into this discussion? A game where you can buy statboosting potions in a cash shop is hardly built to have a proper and healthy eSports scene.
Just because companies throw money at their game and scream "ESPORTS!!!!" doesn't mean they're the godsend savior for eSports. Not even talking about the fact that these are entirely different games, but simply the fact that many companies using eSports as the new marketing strategy. Keep in mind Blade & Soul has been out for a while in Korea and they're making money off of the game pretty well and eSports is rising in popularity, so of course they can't miss out on this.
Blizzard has done more for eSports than companies like these ever will.
Also, we have yet to see what Blizzard really has in store for LotV. I agree they're rushing LotV out atm, but maybe thats out of their hands. However if they have proper plans post-release there's nothing to cry about. With the new features in SC2, we have reason to believe they still care enough.
I will never get people going to other games just because they promised something. Surely if they promised it, they must deliver it, right? Even if it is a completely different game, it must be better!
Meh. I guess what I'm trying to say is: The failure of Blizzard to properly satisfy all of the community can not be used as a reason to think that other companies will do it better.
Uh, I don't really want to get into this discussion but my point is actually pretty valid so lets do just a little bit... Each season of the blade and soul korean league is like ~100k$ prize pool, they've already had like 2-3 years of tournaments and if u've seen the latest videos you'd know that the crowds at each bracket stage is generally more filled than the GSL venues have been. Even the finals for world championships (asia region, hence my post) last year were probably just as big, if not bigger than recent GSLs (probably not proleagues though)... If anything what you've stated only proves you know nothing about the game... their arena for the past 2+years has been stat equalized for eSports. The shit you typed about only remotely matters for PvP or leveling progression which has nothing to do with the competitive side of the game @_@;; videos below... + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y20cNtgn5CE
The point of my post was only to say that as a long time follower of blizzard games (I have played since iccup..) I have almost completely lost interest with blizzard's approach to games. You shouldn't let that shouldn't rustle you too much dawg.
Yes, I get that those companies try to make it an eSport. And because if you play a certain game, you're likely to watch tournaments for it's as well, so naturally popular games get a certain audience by default.
But that doesn't mean they're a blessing for eSports. And if you look at what games are played/viewed in a competetive environment in asia, you'd have to call every game out there an eSport, because almost everything is played that way. Even in the West it has started with ArenaNet pumping money into GW2 even though in the past years there hasn't been any real interest. But now that there's money on the line there are suddenly teams forming. Did GW2 change for the better, or is it just that large player base + money = "ESPORTS!!!"?
Also, it's okay that you lost interest in Blizzard games. If you like Blade & Soul more thats fine, too. But don't act like it's Blizzard fault - what are they supposed to do? Make StarCraft a third person MMO with revealing skins? (I'm going to drop the P2W discussion, because frankly I don't care enough about korean MMOs anymore after I got burned by the past ones. So if it's not P2W thats cool, doesn't change that it's an entirely different game).
Starcraft II is rising in Korea. It's still in the top 10 on gamenote which it hasn't been since ever. I get that you're disappointed, but you're in a vocal minority.
Lastly I'd appreciate it if you left out the dank memes when you talk with me. Twitch chat is over there.
Don't put words in other people's mouth. I never said it was a blessing for eSports, nor did I pretend it was anything of the sort; moreover, I think you'd give credit to the fact that NCSoft is a bit bigger than random F2P companies who make random games which are picked up in random leagues in korea. If you've followed PCbang stats for the past 4(?) years you'd easily notice that BnS has always remained in the top numbers. I simply stated that in Korea BnS is just as big, if not bigger on a general reception level in the competitive scene (as in it has seasons that are regulated with set prizes and so on), than SC2 if you take the recent venues as a reference.
I also never said money = eSports. The game has a development team just like Blizzard, valve, riot and so on.
It's not Blizzard's 'fault' I don't like their game. It's my own opinion. But their patches directly coincide with my opinion of the game. It stands to reason that if they changed their current phase of their approach to patching I might actually like it more. Quite the deduction.... I think many others have said the exact same thing in the thread...
No one said to make SC2 an MMO(??????), so I don't know what kind of idiocy this part of your post is about(??????????). If you didn't know, I actually enjoy RTS games, hence why I am on the TL forums and ... have been on previous NA teams...? dang, we goin deep here...
Yes, drop the p2w discussion. bringing it up in the first place showed how moronic you were being (I'd be nice and say ignorant but it is a clear disregard for the information anyway, even when it is typed in the previous post you quote l0lwtf). If I had said a different game would that have made you feel better? If I had said I was going to play LoL or Dota or CS:GO or even another RTS? I was never comparing the genres, or games. I simply stated what I was going to play instead of SC2 and how popular it was in korea. I never said anything about the games themselves in contrast to one another ;~;
Sc2 is in the top 10 whatever. Cool. If u actually look at some of my recent posts I've actually made the same reference. That's great for the game... but has nothing to do with my opinion of the mechanics, design or otherwise of it O:
Finally, not every word originated from twitch.tv chat. dawg aka dog is certainly not a 'dank meme'.
after like 3 fucking thousand posts you'd figure you'd at least read what people typed before you replied yo like srsly dood idk wtf i just replied to but u b dumb as poopy.
I enjoyed the Beta of Lotv, its a very exciting game, much faster as Hots. Hope its been supportet by the community like Wol and Hots and played by Progamers for long time.
I never denied the fact that Blade & Soul is a popular game, in fact that is part of my point. It is a popular game, so naturally it will have a lot of players watching the tournaments regardless of it's actual eSports quality.
A big game with high viewership does not automatically equal a healthy eSports is my point. You can take any popular game, throw money and tournaments at it and then slap the term eSports on it. Same thing with NCSoft and corporations in general - just because they make a lot of money does not automatically mean they are full of quality. In fact many of their methods threy do in Korea would be largely frowned upon over here. The entire korean gaming culture is a different beast altogether and would require a discussion on its own.
I'm also curious how the recent patches "directly coincide" with your opinion? Last time I checked they're greatly in line with what people in the community agree on - even if they're smaller than many would like them to be. Which is largely due to the release being pretty damn close.
Just to be clear, I'm not trying to tell you that you're shit or something like that. I just think that we should discuss this respectfully even though our viewpoints greatly differ. I already acknowledged your point about P2W, so I'm not sure why you feel the need to insult me. And "getting rustled" is definitely a twitch meme, even if it is an old one.
On October 28 2015 05:10 brickrd wrote: you can't complete the balance of the game without seeing months of pro level play, so they have to release it. complaints that it's premature are just a reflection of this community never ever being satisfied or happy, we're mostly a very negative and vindictive bunch
And that's the reason why we don't get good, varied gameplay. "We need to confirm for 22months straight that Mech TvP isn't viable, before we consider changing it!" 22months later: "We won't change balance now, pros will complain if we do too many balance changes. The game is what it is!"
Yes people need to stop with that "we just need to figure out xx, can't comment about viability yet"-nonsense. That's been consistently wrong ever since the first 3 months of WOL. I remember Artosis for like a whole year talking about TvP mech viability and how people just needs to figure it out because it's much harder than bio to play and yadayada.
Meanwhile Artosis didn't fucking play terran himself and the had ignorance to tell people who actually played the race at a much higher level that they didn't know what they were doing.
And the attitude is similarly to a lot of posters who repeat this mantra over and over. They are low level players them selves who have no idea what they are talking about, and have no actual specific strategic reasons for arguing why a certain strategy will be viable as the game gets more figured out. They just repeat it mindlessly.
And it was the same type of logic that let the Broodlord/Infestor regin for so long even though it was obvious 6-7 months before it got patched that it was broken.
On October 28 2015 12:51 ClaudeSc2 wrote: Really hate casuals complaining and saying they've reverted Legacy back to Hots because they can't handle macro mechanics. Why can't people just be happy by competing in Platinum league against other players who can't use macro mechanics correctly? Don't cry and say you'd be masters or GM based on your strategies, being able to understand how to pull off a specific strategy, 7 gate adept all in or a 2 base ling bane bust, doesn't mean you should be master or GM. I'm fine with a temp ban for this post also.
User was temp banned for this post.
Really?......he got temp banned for this post?...Really?.....Wtf is wrong with TL admins?.....Quite embarrassing i say...
Last time I seen, it is not allowed to comment about admins doing their job on TL..
I really don't know how i didn't get punished for my thoughts...weird no?
On October 28 2015 12:51 ClaudeSc2 wrote: Really hate casuals complaining and saying they've reverted Legacy back to Hots because they can't handle macro mechanics. Why can't people just be happy by competing in Platinum league against other players who can't use macro mechanics correctly? Don't cry and say you'd be masters or GM based on your strategies, being able to understand how to pull off a specific strategy, 7 gate adept all in or a 2 base ling bane bust, doesn't mean you should be master or GM. I'm fine with a temp ban for this post also.
User was temp banned for this post.
Really?......he got temp banned for this post?...Really?.....Wtf is wrong with TL admins?.....Quite embarrassing i say...
Last time I seen, it is not allowed to comment about admins doing their job on TL..
I really don't know how i didn't get punished for my thoughts...weird no?
He literally said that he is fine with a temporary ban for his comment. So he gets one. That's just the simple way these comments are (rightfully) treated on TL. If you know you take a chance of getting a ban or warning and post despite knowing you should just get punished for it.
EPT
), it's a bit unbalanced (so what?......i don't care cause it's FUN!!!)
