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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On October 28 2015 21:11 x0x0 wrote: I really don't know how i didn't get punished for my thoughts...weird no? As someone else said, it's called martyring. If you say something in the lines of "I don't care about my ban", you will get banned because you're asking for it. | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On October 28 2015 17:38 x0x0 wrote: Really?......he got temp banned for this post?...Really?.....Wtf is wrong with TL admins?.....Quite embarrassing i say... He said he was fine with a temp ban, so we obliged. See the TL rule on martyring for reference. | ||
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MrMischelito
347 Posts
On October 27 2015 10:13 sushiman wrote: [...] But I'm not surprised it feels lacklustre - the expansion was forced out by the early decision of making a three-part story, not as a consequence of wanting to realize new and fresh ideas after HOTS, which shows. you have a very good point. the addition of new units and features feels uncalled for. it's not like someone had a good idea for an addition to the game. rather it was forced by the marketing aspect, i.e. the urge to release a second expansion at a given date (bli$$con 2015) and the need to bring something new to the multiplayer. however, because it is refused to remove existing units from the game, a further addition leads to the overlapping at hand (colossus-disruptor, siege tank-liberator). commerce destroyed the beauty of the starcraft universe. it is not just the problems with multiplayer, but also the cheesy and unoriginal storyline of the campaign. | ||
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Gathorisx
United Kingdom27 Posts
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On October 28 2015 20:48 Hider wrote: Yes people need to stop with that "we just need to figure out xx, can't comment about viability yet"-nonsense. That's been consistently wrong ever since the first 3 months of WOL. I remember Artosis for like a whole year talking about TvP mech viability and how people just needs to figure it out because it's much harder than bio to play and yadayada. Meanwhile Artosis didn't fucking play terran himself and the had ignorance to tell people who actually played the race at a much higher level that they didn't know what they were doing. And the attitude is similarly to a lot of posters who repeat this mantra over and over. They are low level players them selves who have no idea what they are talking about, and have no actual specific strategic reasons for arguing why a certain strategy will be viable as the game gets more figured out. They just repeat it mindlessly. And it was the same type of logic that let the Broodlord/Infestor regin for so long even though it was obvious 6-7 months before it got patched that it was broken. I think you have a valid point, that sometimes "waiting it out" isn't going to do anything. Broodlord/Infestor is a prime example and Blizzard was clearly in the wrong there. However, with things being so new, there are definitely things that have yet to be figured out. We see people not building units simply because of their experience in HotS. How are Blizzard supposed to judge their LotV use if most of the players refuse to take a second look at them? And even if they do, they haven't been vocal about their experience (all I see is not really useful feedback. The valuable feedback that gets posted is addressed by Blizzard in the next update pretty often). We're not talking about 6-12 months. But with the top players still looking at HotS, we're lacking a lot of the players that could potentially innovate the gameplay (and did so in the past). With all of these guys probably changing within the next 2 months tops, we're looking at a much smaller time scale. Remember, there have been plenty of examples where waiting it out did work. It also has a lot to do with map design and general meta changes. We're still playing on HotS maps in LotV which plays a huge role in all of this. And I don't think I have to mention Brood War - that seemed to turn out fine even though Blizzard did minimal work. | ||
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rotta
5639 Posts
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Ludwigvan
Germany2371 Posts
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On October 28 2015 23:06 rotta wrote: With the HotS ladder locking on the 3rd, playing will be literally pointless for a full week. Yay! UNLESS... you play because you enjoy the game, and not for rank, steam achievements and chocolate medals? I know, preposterous, right? | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
Whenever I played LotV I didn't have fun. The new units felt forced. A huge airplane that can be reactored (is that even up to date?), I strange protoss ball that does stuff, an insanely high game pace and a very strange harassment model. Harassment shouldn't be low risk, high reward. But well, it is. And that's just boring. There's no tactical finesse if you keep watching out for adepts because a warp prism will simply ravage your economy line. You got a Liberator behind your mineral line? Oh, damn. Sucks to be you. No, really. LotV feels bad. I hoped to regain passion with that addon but I absolutely didn't. Even the campaign (or what I got to know from it with those prequel missions) feels lame. To me, StarCraft never was about a dark God arising. It was about mad Terran scientists creating a whole new race. When HotS came up with ancient Zerg, I already was like "wtf", but now with the whole Dark God story line, nahhh, sorry. I am not going to buy LotV and it's a shame. I wish it was a good game but I'm sure I won't like it. But to be honest, that's just me and my subjective point of view. The really, really, REALLY disappointing thing is that the TL.net community worked its heart out when it came down to the economy - and Blizzard refused to listen or even give a chance to those models. I call absolute bullshit on those guys if they say "We're gonna listen to the community" to your face and have their ears plugged with wool. Earlier, I always thought "sucks to be a Blizz developer because whatever you do, there'll be lots of people saying 'you suck'". However by now, I just think that Blizzard missed a golden opportunity to engage the community, to IMPROVE their actual game, and ended the beta way too early. I get that this is not all fun and games, sales department have a schedule and so on, it's a huge multi-million dollar company. But if I was someone who'd have worked on the economy models - I'd never touch StarCraft again. After seeing Heroes (which is decent but still a lackluster, not really lovely programmed game - just look at Misha's AI as an example or other bugs), seeing another WoW addon (I picked up Warlods of Draenor and tbh it sucked and pretty much raped the lore. I'm still not over MoP, too), seeing Blizzard release another unfinished game with LotV - haha, no, I'm not gonna buy this. The Blizzard of old that created StarCraft I, the Diablo and the Warcraft franchise is long gone. Wish we had early 2000'ers again, I'd jump on a fresh WoW anytime. Golden times.  | ||
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Tenks
United States3104 Posts
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MrFreeman
207 Posts
I have tried hard to like it, but LotV for me is extremely frustrating and I just don´t enjoy the games, after the beta ends, I wouldn´t be able to test it any further, so I guess this is it, time to get disconnected with most things Starcraft, as everything will be LotV centric. Definitely a disappointment for me, I just hope another developer will join the market and is going to make an SC2 competitor. | ||
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Riner1212
United States337 Posts
On October 29 2015 01:22 MrFreeman wrote: Well, it is really easy for me, I have said to myself, that if I don´t learn to like the LotV during beta, I will not buy it until HotS is so deserted, finding a match is almost impossible. I have tried hard to like it, but LotV for me is extremely frustrating and I just don´t enjoy the games, after the beta ends, I wouldn´t be able to test it any further, so I guess this is it, time to get disconnected with most things Starcraft, as everything will be LotV centric. Definitely a disappointment for me, I just hope another developer will join the market and is going to make an SC2 competitor. there are still ppl that play WOL lol. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
It's still a great game. I prefer 50% of the wol matchups to their Hots counterparts. | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On October 29 2015 01:16 boxerfred wrote: But to be honest, that's just me and my subjective point of view. The really, really, REALLY disappointing thing is that the TL.net community worked its heart out when it came down to the economy - and Blizzard refused to listen or even give a chance to those models. I call absolute bullshit on those guys if they say "We're gonna listen to the community" to your face and have their ears plugged with wool. Earlier, I always thought "sucks to be a Blizz developer because whatever you do, there'll be lots of people saying 'you suck'". However by now, I just think that Blizzard missed a golden opportunity to engage the community, to IMPROVE their actual game, and ended the beta way too early. I get that this is not all fun and games, sales department have a schedule and so on, it's a huge multi-million dollar company. But if I was someone who'd have worked on the economy models - I'd never touch StarCraft again. After seeing Heroes (which is decent but still a lackluster, not really lovely programmed game - just look at Misha's AI as an example or other bugs), Thats actually a really good point. Blizzard missed a huge opportunity working more closely with the community and especially people on TL/TL staff. I think no one would even be disappointed if they released campaign but put multiplayer under a "still in beta" headline. But anyway, as I keep saying I think people are calling the doom too early. We have yet to watch that Blizzard panel about SC2. If it turns out they're going to say "Well, LotV is ready boys, time for allied commanders to be the next cool thing!" then I wholeheartedly agree. But until then I'm going to just enjoy LotV as much as I can and be a little bit more patient. | ||
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MrFreeman
207 Posts
Yes, what bothers me is, that if LotV gets better, I would have no way to find out. Maybe I will eventually pick it up when they´ll be selling it for $10 or less. But yea, I hope I will still get at least two more years out of HotS. | ||
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
On October 29 2015 01:22 MrFreeman wrote: Well, it is really easy for me, I have said to myself, that if I don´t learn to like the LotV during beta, I will not buy it until HotS is so deserted, finding a match is almost impossible. I have tried hard to like it, but LotV for me is extremely frustrating and I just don´t enjoy the games, after the beta ends, I wouldn´t be able to test it any further, so I guess this is it, time to get disconnected with most things Starcraft, as everything will be LotV centric. Definitely a disappointment for me, I just hope another developer will join the market and is going to make an SC2 competitor. You can still watch the pros, and maybe you will learn to like it from them. | ||
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MrFreeman
207 Posts
On October 29 2015 03:26 MrMotionPicture wrote: You can still watch the pros, and maybe you will learn to like it from them. I have tried that, there was a lot of LotV events, but I was never much into that anyway, since I always loved to make my own strategies, think of my own synergies. Ofc, there were awful compared to what pros were coming up with, but they were mine. That is also probably my favourite part about LotV, since I really like the new units and the synergies they offer. | ||
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WigglingSquid
5194 Posts
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Blargh
United States2103 Posts
I don't know why people would expect any changes between now and release. It's 2 weeks away. There is not enough time to make substantial changes now. | ||
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
On October 29 2015 05:29 Blargh wrote: My biggest concern is actually just that there is not enough strategic depth in the game. Based on what? | ||
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