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jinjin5000
United States1490 Posts
In theory, it should complement the mech army, by kiting in and out of siege tank/liberators to draw engegements, but fact is, the unit is judt too expensive, supply heavy and not nearly good enough to do that job. If you get it for AA role, it is too expensive to maintain and is more expensive than viking, which does better job at AA I ho estly think it should judt be the disposable, mobile AA unit with ground attack as bonus, maybe limited to judt auto attack to keep short but decent dps | ||
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ArgusDreamer
Canada63 Posts
On October 08 2015 02:58 91matt wrote: they should remove the liberator and cyclone and put in the goliath I feel like you should get the noble prize for saying such a revolutionizing new creative idea. On topic: i agree with iaguz. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
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jpg06051992
United States580 Posts
Not even honestly sure what role this is supposed to fill, factor anti air? Give me a break, Terran already has the Liberator and Viking from Starport, why does every area of their tech tree need an anti air unit when 2/3 already have units that aren't just good against air units they are FANTASTIC. Marines shred any air unit in the game in decent numbers, Thors shy away Mutalisks plenty good on their own and with Viking backup especially, and Liberators are just great vs. air units as well as ground units. Just scrap the unit, Blizzard has shown no hesitance in scrapping dumb units before so why not now? Terran didn't even need a new unit really. | ||
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Wrath
3174 Posts
On October 08 2015 02:59 BEARDiaguz wrote: Goliath exists in this game already. It's called the Viking. Built from starport Cost higher than the old one. Longer attack cooldown more fragile does not benefit from damage ground upgrade. cooldown to switch both attack weapons much much higher. We conclude from this that Viking IS NOT the Goliath, or it was obliterated with the nerf hammer that it had to change its name. | ||
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jinjin5000
United States1490 Posts
On October 08 2015 05:12 jpg06051992 wrote: The Cyclone is probably the most retarded unit in the game at the moment, it's great against everything besides Speedlings, absolutely murders single units, cannot be micro'd against, and pretty much does all of the work for the Terran player. Not even honestly sure what role this is supposed to fill, factor anti air? Give me a break, Terran already has the Liberator and Viking from Starport, why does every area of their tech tree need an anti air unit when 2/3 already have units that aren't just good against air units they are FANTASTIC. Marines shred any air unit in the game in decent numbers, Thors shy away Mutalisks plenty good on their own and with Viking backup especially, and Liberators are just great vs. air units as well as ground units. Just scrap the unit, Blizzard has shown no hesitance in scrapping dumb units before so why not now? Terran didn't even need a new unit really. Because it's a tech tree that is entirely separate from bio? Because the split between air and ground mech weapon further emphasizes the separation between the tree? Because said upgrade facilities is unlocked after factory and costs gas? Because factory doesn't have direct ground to air unit that does sufficiently? A ground to air mech unit would make it so tvt isn't always about air superiority but a healthy mix. | ||
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jpg06051992
United States580 Posts
On October 08 2015 05:17 jinjin5000 wrote: Because it's a tech tree that is entirely separate from bio? Because the split between air and ground mech weapon further emphasizes the separation between the tree? Because said upgrade facilities is unlocked after factory and costs gas? Because factory doesn't have direct ground to air unit that does sufficiently? A ground to air mech unit would make it so tvt isn't always about air superiority but a healthy mix. See I agree with all of this, but they could have accomplished all of this with 100% less retardism by just adding the Goliath, units shouldn't be introduced for a mirror match anyways. PvP has been a shit fest for so long because of how many balance changes and game designs have to be molded around it. | ||
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WhaleOFaTALE1
47 Posts
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jinjin5000
United States1490 Posts
On October 08 2015 05:21 WhaleOFaTALE1 wrote: I disagree that all races have a complete arsenal. Mech needs more reliable aa than thors. If you get enough mutas a couple thors do nothing. I think a goliath like unit that is faster and has decent aa would be a great addition. Goliath didn't even do that well against mass mutas I believe. Thors do very well against mass mutas. Combine it with liberator and opponent is just asking for loss | ||
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WhaleOFaTALE1
47 Posts
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BronzeKnee
United States5219 Posts
Blizzard is literally clueless when they add units because they fail to understand game design these days. It is like they poll a bunch of pre-schools about unit designs, then throw them into the game willy nilly only to haphazardly remove the worst offenders, like the Warhound, Shedder, Replicant, old Oracle, ect... You might say "well at least they are removing them, that is the point of a Beta!" The problem is that they wasted time, money and energy on these terrible units. The fact they even got out of the designers head when they were thinking up new units is just shocking. They never should have made it to paper, let alone the game. And even worse, once removed, there wasn't a whole list of other changes surrounding the removal. You'd think if you remove X unit, Y unit and Z strategy would need to changed because X unit was used to counter said unit and strategy. But not with Blizzard! You remove the Warhound, which had no role anyway, and nothing needs to be changed. Same with the Cyclone... | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19327 Posts
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TheWinks
United States572 Posts
I have a suspicion the Cyclone is part of Blizzard's recent campaign to try and justify Chitinous Plating making Ultralisks immune to Bio units (Big Snipe and Anti-Armour Drone being the last two ideas implemented, gone unused and swiftly discarded) and it simply isn’t working. 100% agree. It feels like the cyclone was created as a specific response to a specific problem they created for seemingly no reason. | ||
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jinjin5000
United States1490 Posts
On October 08 2015 05:26 BisuDagger wrote: Why not have a mule upgrade at 100/125 cost to become a permanent unit with weak ground and strong aa attack. It will receive armory upgrades too. Taking mule hammer to new meaning huh Instant terran warp ins | ||
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Creager
Germany1923 Posts
On October 08 2015 05:24 WhaleOFaTALE1 wrote: Sounds like we all agree? cyclone out, goliath in! Why not scrap the On a more serious note, it would be really interesting to hear their reasoning for not replacing the Cyclone with the Goliath, as IIRC their approach with designing SC2 has been quite different up until LotV (If you want BW, go play BW, it's an awesome game, but SC2 is different). So with Valkyries, Reavers and Lurkers being in the game what's their argument against adding another BW unit people would actually be happy about since the early WoL days? | ||
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KawaiiSCV
20 Posts
GIVE US THE ODIN ![[image loading]](http://gamersyndrome.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/thor.jpg) No, really, joking aside. Nobody likes the Cyclone and the Thor has become redundant with Liberators in place. The Odin was already planned in the Original HotS beta, and was actually pretty cool addition to both Mech and Bio armies. | ||
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Snugles
United Kingdom35 Posts
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hitpoint
United States1511 Posts
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lIIIlllIll1001011010
6 Posts
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SirPinky
United States525 Posts
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