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Jer99
Canada8160 Posts
On October 03 2015 07:26 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: but but but limited time and self harm :o really? I really hope there's gonna be a hots>lotv total change list when it launches, pretty hard to keep up. it willl be interesting to see, maybe there will be a new adept rush including the upgrade! | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On October 03 2015 07:26 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: but but but limited time and self harm :o really? I really hope there's gonna be a hots>lotv total change list when it launches, pretty hard to keep up. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/legacy-of-the-void/491202-lotv-multiplayer-changes-compilation | ||
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Lexender
Mexico2664 Posts
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Magnifico
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
Also yeah - you can really tell the lack of minerals due to the new mule D; | ||
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Jer99
Canada8160 Posts
On October 03 2015 07:32 NarutO wrote: The adepts are still pretty much winning in PvT - warpprism adept or allins are insanely hard to hold - not being able to hold with being ahead or even at all on certain maps if you ask me. Also yeah - you can really tell the lack of minerals due to the new mule D; how do you feel about siege tanks in TvP? I've had a lot of success with them, but i haven't faced any adept with warp prism builds yet | ||
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Grusalugg
20 Posts
Health reduction of Adepts' is 90/90 to 60/90, not 90/90 to 90/60. | ||
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Lexender
Mexico2664 Posts
On October 03 2015 07:34 Jer99 wrote: how do you feel about siege tanks in TvP? I've had a lot of success with them, but i haven't faced any adept with warp prism builds yet Wouldn't they just teleport under the tank? | ||
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Jer99
Canada8160 Posts
On October 03 2015 07:40 Lexender wrote: Wouldn't they just teleport under the tank? with medivac* | ||
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Jer99
Canada8160 Posts
On October 03 2015 07:35 Grusalugg wrote: Correction: Health reduction of Adepts' is 90/90 to 60/90, not 90/90 to 90/60. True that, rather than health as the source implies, it's shields that were reduced by 30 | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On October 03 2015 07:34 Jer99 wrote: how do you feel about siege tanks in TvP? I've had a lot of success with them, but i haven't faced any adept with warp prism builds yet I dont even feel like there is no counter play to what Protoss can do - the problem is that every build needs a different counterplay. At least thats what I feel like. White-rA for example does 3 Gate adept proxy robo - I tried 3 rax ghost/marine - I tried reactormarine siegetank - I couldnt hold in either case. I have held adept builds 1 base and 2 base but in no situation I have been ahead seemingly. Also even if you hold it - its so little commitment and photon overcharge and adept warpins would always prevent counter aggressinon. That in mind - it could be dts, blink stalkers which are very good as well (still) oracles and every otehr kind of shit. I feel like I have to be very defensive allowing the protoss to either be very greedy which leeds to a midgame I cannot attack OR I suffer from Protoss aggression. I really dont LIKE to whine but I see no way on being even or ahead after defending such builds. If you have any suggestions I will gladly try them out . | ||
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pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
Blizzard quite obviously shot themselves in the foot by keeping the unit unnerfed this long into the beta, because as DinoMight points out, the Adept being as strong as it is has created the illusion that TvP is more or less balanced. It'll only take until the first Code S of the next season to see that nothing could be further from the truth. And then what? How is Blizzard supposed to nerf this unit into something remotely approaching reasonable, without completely trashing Protoss's ability to have map presence in the early game? Protoss needs buffs but there's nothing fundamental to buff. Zealots are as strong as an A+move unit has any right to be. Stalkers can't be buffed or it's 2014 all over again. MSC can't be buffed because it's loathsome and abhorrent and in fact needs nerfing. That leaves... Sentries? I mean, there's literally nothing else, unless they wise up and start CHANGING instead of buffing and nerfing. | ||
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Beastyqt
Serbia516 Posts
I wonder when will Blizzard realize "macro mechanics" for Zerg, Terran and Protoss are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT and you can't buff and nerf all 3 of them at same time because they are completely different things...sigh. | ||
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pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
The snipe "delay" obviously exists to create some form of counterplay. But what sort of counterplay is a Zerg supposed to pull off in the allotted 1.5 seconds? What are the chances you'll have a spotter AND a Zergling available within 1.5 seconds of movement + attack of that Ghost, never mind actually pulling off the micro. Do they still intend for counterplay to exist? If yes, is that actually reasonable? If no, why keep the ability as is at all? | ||
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owlman
France58 Posts
I wonder when will Blizzard realize "macro mechanics" for Zerg, Terran and Protoss are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT and you can't buff and nerf all 3 of them at same time because they are completely different things...sigh. Yeah definitely ... A simple example : nerfing chronoboost weaken protoss defense against early rush like early pools, proxy gates, proxy barracks, photon canons ... but it doesn't affect other race at that stage of the game | ||
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Spyridon
United States997 Posts
On October 03 2015 07:54 Beastyqt wrote: Terran again gets fucked over for economy, while Zerg loses a bit of unit production that can be supplemented in the late game by making more hatcheries and that doesn't affect early game as much as this patch affects Terran ;; I wonder when will Blizzard realize "macro mechanics" for Zerg, Terran and Protoss are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT and you can't buff and nerf all 3 of them at same time because they are completely different things...sigh. Zerg is in the worst state of beta atm so while I do think they need some sort of buff, I would not be opposed to removing more drones from spawn larvae. 2 I think sounds about right on paper imo. I always thought it's silly that Zerg gets more production from 1 queen than they do from a macro hatch... and right now it is pretty much equal. IMO a macro hatch should reward more eggs than a queen, not just for the higher price, but the fact that the eggs need to be used up immediately and can not be pooled so you need to stay on top of using them. | ||
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TheWinks
United States572 Posts
On October 03 2015 07:58 pure.Wasted wrote: I'm confused about Blizzard's intentions with the Ghost ability. The snipe "delay" obviously exists to create some form of counterplay. But what sort of counterplay is a Zerg supposed to pull off in the allotted 1.5 seconds? What are the chances you'll have a spotter AND a Zergling available within 1.5 seconds of movement + attack of that Ghost, never mind actually pulling off the micro. Do they still intend for counterplay to exist? If yes, is that actually reasonable? If no, why keep the ability as is at all? It's never been about specific micro to cancel ghosts in a big battle, just that you can't have a bunch of ghosts spamming it because so many will take incidental damage and have it canceled. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10861 Posts
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[PkF] Wire
France24239 Posts
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Spyridon
United States997 Posts
On October 03 2015 08:02 GGzerG wrote: They really need to remove all macro mechanics and balance the game around that, best state of the game we ever had was when there were no macro mechanics! Agreed... but that is off the table now sadly according to Blizzard... I guess this is the best we will get. Even though I am Zerg, I actually still hope they remove the importance of spawn larvae by making it 3>2 larvae. I know queens are important for early game with the current SC2 balance, but for late game I always thought macro hatch's felt much better/natural. But who am I kidding. Theres like a 90% chance that Blizzard will revert this back to HotS mechanics anyway, with the reason being something that affects only 1 of the races (just like they did when mechanics were removed before and Terran were unable to function without further rebalances), so the entire game will suffer because they do not want to fix problems with specific races design... | ||
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