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On July 29 2015 07:31 weikor wrote:
what about raven to soak the initial shots, they seem to shoot very slow. Id be surprised if it worked though.
If you made a raven your bio and factory unit count will be very low. The adepts could either tank through the PDD or just phase to somewhere pdd doesnt cover.
Not only that, ravens dont spawn with enough energy for a PDD. I'm not even 100% sure you could cast a PDD in time after waiting to get energy.
Even with 2 banshees the terran loses too many scvs to actually win the game after, even if they clean everything up eventually. PDD doesnt even actively kill the adepts
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These stupid adept all ins are the reason I am holding off playing the beta more. It's broken and even Blizz must realize this - as to whether they fix it in a sensible fashion or not is another question.
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Blizzard just need to delay the Warpgate tech, make Twilight council for the criterion, or simply increase the warpgate research + increase the cost of the tech. Warpgate nerf is coming anyway. Problem solve.
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On July 28 2015 17:02 avilo wrote:
There is no way to hold it partially because adepts have too many flat stats on them right now.
I went over this on my stream but adepts have more health/shields than blink stalkers, mobility with no upgrade required, an upgrade to make them even tankier, and even cost less than a stalker.
I'm pretty sure blizzard will change them soon, their stats are completely messed up at the moment. Pretty much every single TvP in beta at the moment is adept abuse and also being able to expand + afford an oracle and you have a free lead because Terran has to overdefend vs two threats that require entirely different responses.
Turret b4 ebay would help out a lot vs oracles...except the problem is adepts themselves too.
Would you trade being able to build turrets without engineering bay for an increased price in the turret? Say 25 minerals more.
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On July 29 2015 12:43 Thinh123456 wrote:
Blizzard just need to delay the Warpgate tech, make Twilight council for the criterion, or simply increase the warpgate research + increase the cost of the tech. Warpgate nerf is coming anyway. Problem solve.
Blizzard said nothing about nerfing warp ins from warp prisms though, so this build isn't getting any nerfs to it.
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He really needed to be counting pylons.................... He knew there was a proxy something out there once the scv ran right by your adepts ( as you were saying you couldn't stop it from entering the base funny enough, you hella shoulda just sniped it!) I am thinking of just opening rauders vs toss to see if I can get some work done without stim/combat shields style
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AND FUCK ranged warp prism pickup that is some straight OP ass shit What were they thinking it was already the coolest drop mechanic in the game
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On July 29 2015 14:35 AkashSky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2015 12:43 Thinh123456 wrote:
Blizzard just need to delay the Warpgate tech, make Twilight council for the criterion, or simply increase the warpgate research + increase the cost of the tech. Warpgate nerf is coming anyway. Problem solve. Blizzard said nothing about nerfing warp ins from warp prisms though, so this build isn't getting any nerfs to it.
U really don't want to understand or what? Delay warpgate tech means more time to build up your army. LOL
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Where did he say anything about delaying warp gate research?
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On July 29 2015 15:06 TheWinks wrote:
Where did he say anything about delaying warp gate research?
I just say that is one of the way to deal with that all-in because DK already said Blizzard is woking on the protoss right now and proposed some changes to the Warpgate.
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On July 29 2015 15:04 Thinh123456 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2015 14:35 AkashSky wrote:On July 29 2015 12:43 Thinh123456 wrote:
Blizzard just need to delay the Warpgate tech, make Twilight council for the criterion, or simply increase the warpgate research + increase the cost of the tech. Warpgate nerf is coming anyway. Problem solve. Blizzard said nothing about nerfing warp ins from warp prisms though, so this build isn't getting any nerfs to it. U really don't want to understand or what? Delay warpgate tech means more time to build up your army. LOL
If you're referring to DK's proposed warp-in changes, they don't delay warp gate, they just change the rules about where warp gates can warp in. This build warps to a warp prism, which bypasses that nerf entirely, so warpgate tech isn't delayed at all.
Even if you weren't referring to DK's proposed changes, AkashSky was. Don't be an asshole about it.
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On July 29 2015 15:18 Thinh123456 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2015 15:06 TheWinks wrote:
Where did he say anything about delaying warp gate research? I just say that is one of the way to deal with that all-in because DK already said Blizzard is woking on the protoss right now and proposed some changes to the Warpgate.
When you said "warpgate nerf is coming anyway," everyone naturally assumed you were referring to the actual proposed changes by the balance designer of this game, not some warpgate nerf that you proposed in this thread.
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On July 29 2015 15:22 ChristianS wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2015 15:04 Thinh123456 wrote:On July 29 2015 14:35 AkashSky wrote:On July 29 2015 12:43 Thinh123456 wrote:
Blizzard just need to delay the Warpgate tech, make Twilight council for the criterion, or simply increase the warpgate research + increase the cost of the tech. Warpgate nerf is coming anyway. Problem solve. Blizzard said nothing about nerfing warp ins from warp prisms though, so this build isn't getting any nerfs to it. U really don't want to understand or what? Delay warpgate tech means more time to build up your army. LOL If you're referring to DK's proposed warp-in changes, they don't delay warp gate, they just change the rules about where warp gates can warp in. This build warps to a warp prism, which bypasses that nerf entirely, so warpgate tech isn't delayed at all. Even if you weren't referring to DK's proposed changes, AkashSky was. Don't be an asshole about it. Edit: Show nested quote +On July 29 2015 15:18 Thinh123456 wrote:On July 29 2015 15:06 TheWinks wrote:
Where did he say anything about delaying warp gate research? I just say that is one of the way to deal with that all-in because DK already said Blizzard is woking on the protoss right now and proposed some changes to the Warpgate. When you said "warpgate nerf is coming anyway," everyone naturally assumed you were referring to the actual proposed changes by the balance designer of this game, not some warpgate nerf that you proposed in this thread.
OK. let me explain my idea:
1, I proposed a change to delay the warpgate tech by making Twilight council as a criterion to unlock the Warpgate Research on the Cybernatics core. You build your Robo then Twilight then can be able to research Warpgate tech on the Cyber core. Yeah, my English is not good so people can misunderstand me. Because DK said things related Warpgate (he want to change how the Warpgate works), and because of this 8 adept's all-in, i proposed a way to get rid of this all-in.
2, You guys said "Warpgate tech isn't delay at all". Why??? You need to build robotic bay, twilight council, then finally wait for a huge amount of time for the research on cybernatics core to complete. Why is it not delayed at all??
3, In my opinion, since the warpgate is delayed, as in the youtube video, at 3'49'' (ingame), the toss player can't have enough resources or gas to just fly the Warprism into the terran's base and warp in 4 additional adepts and finish the game. The most important thing is: with my idea, the earliest time (ingame) the protoss player must wait to finish the Warpgate research is 4'22''. The problem migh be solve. Everybody understand me now?
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On July 29 2015 16:24 Thinh123456 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2015 15:22 ChristianS wrote:On July 29 2015 15:04 Thinh123456 wrote:On July 29 2015 14:35 AkashSky wrote:On July 29 2015 12:43 Thinh123456 wrote:
Blizzard just need to delay the Warpgate tech, make Twilight council for the criterion, or simply increase the warpgate research + increase the cost of the tech. Warpgate nerf is coming anyway. Problem solve. Blizzard said nothing about nerfing warp ins from warp prisms though, so this build isn't getting any nerfs to it. U really don't want to understand or what? Delay warpgate tech means more time to build up your army. LOL If you're referring to DK's proposed warp-in changes, they don't delay warp gate, they just change the rules about where warp gates can warp in. This build warps to a warp prism, which bypasses that nerf entirely, so warpgate tech isn't delayed at all. Even if you weren't referring to DK's proposed changes, AkashSky was. Don't be an asshole about it. Edit: On July 29 2015 15:18 Thinh123456 wrote:On July 29 2015 15:06 TheWinks wrote:
Where did he say anything about delaying warp gate research? I just say that is one of the way to deal with that all-in because DK already said Blizzard is woking on the protoss right now and proposed some changes to the Warpgate. When you said "warpgate nerf is coming anyway," everyone naturally assumed you were referring to the actual proposed changes by the balance designer of this game, not some warpgate nerf that you proposed in this thread. OK. let me explain my idea: 1, I proposed a change to delay the warpgate tech by making Twilight council as a criterion to unlock the Warpgate Research on the Cybernatics core. You build your Robo then Twilight then can be able to research Warpgate tech on the Cyber core. Yeah, my English is not good so people can misunderstand me. Because DK said things related Warpgate (he want to change how the Warpgate works), and because of this 8 adept's all-in, i proposed a way to get rid of this all-in. 2, You guys said "Warpgate tech isn't delay at all". Why??? You need to build robotic bay, twilight council, then finally wait for a huge amount of time for the research on cybernatics core to complete. Why is it not delayed at all?? 3, In my opinion, since the warpgate is delayed, as in the youtube video, at 3'49'' (ingame), the toss player can't have enough resources or gas to just fly the Warprism into the terran's base and warp in 4 additional adepts and finish the game. The most important thing is: with my idea, the earliest time (ingame) the protoss player must wait to finish the Warpgate research is 4'22''. The problem migh be solve. Everybody understand me now?
Yes, we are all clear now that entirely separate from the changes to warpgate that have been discussed recently and are likely to make it into the game in some form, you personally have suggested an alternative in which Twilight is a requirement for warpgate. At least your tone is a little more conciliatory now, because this post:
On July 29 2015 15:04 Thinh123456 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2015 14:35 AkashSky wrote:On July 29 2015 12:43 Thinh123456 wrote:
Blizzard just need to delay the Warpgate tech, make Twilight council for the criterion, or simply increase the warpgate research + increase the cost of the tech. Warpgate nerf is coming anyway. Problem solve. Blizzard said nothing about nerfing warp ins from warp prisms though, so this build isn't getting any nerfs to it. U really don't want to understand or what? Delay warpgate tech means more time to build up your army. LOL
I was considering using the report function for the first time because of this post. Even if you had been right, that's far too aggressive and obnoxious a way to talk to someone, and you weren't even right. Since he said "Blizzard said nothing about..." there was no way you could have misunderstood him to think he was talking about your suggestion.
What he was saying is that Blizzard already has ideas for warpgate changes that don't affect this build. On the other hand they aren't so far-reaching as your proposal, which would pretty dramatically move warpgate tech and be a much larger nerf to warpgates than Blizzard seems to be looking for. Therefore your proposal seems fairly unlikely to ever get tested in the beta, and it makes more sense for us to discuss either the current build on LotV, or what will likely be the next build released to the public.
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