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BlackLilium
Profile Joined April 2011
Poland426 Posts
July 03 2015 20:35 GMT
#461
LDaVinci, if you are Zerg and looking for non-Terran opponent, I can try to challenge you. But I am a league below you probably.
[MOD]Economy - Hot Mineral Harvesting
LDaVinci
Profile Joined May 2014
France130 Posts
July 04 2015 05:47 GMT
#462
We can also do several matches. If you're also available on Tuesday, I can do another BO5 I guess.
I don't mind playing against T, just that I know I will loose ^^ it removes part of the fun ^^
Those who refuse to become better, already stop being good
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
July 05 2015 22:15 GMT
#463
I'll have to reconfirm by you tomorrow about Tuesday.
HeyImFinn
Profile Joined September 2011
United States250 Posts
July 06 2015 03:02 GMT
#464
On June 26 2015 09:00 BronzeKnee wrote:
Why does income need to drop faster than it currently does in HOTS? That is what I do not understand.

Why can't we just reward people expanding more, rather than force people to expand? Forced choices are bad in a strategy game when built into the game.

Exactly what I've been preaching. My biggest issue with LotV (yes, more than the liberator and the lack of big changes to Protoss) has been the economy.
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)STYLE START SBENU( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
ShambhalaWar
Profile Joined August 2013
United States930 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-06 04:48:11
July 06 2015 04:47 GMT
#465
On July 06 2015 12:02 HeyImFinn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2015 09:00 BronzeKnee wrote:
Why does income need to drop faster than it currently does in HOTS? That is what I do not understand.

Why can't we just reward people expanding more, rather than force people to expand? Forced choices are bad in a strategy game when built into the game.

Exactly what I've been preaching. My biggest issue with LotV (yes, more than the liberator and the lack of big changes to Protoss) has been the economy.


Not trying to make a big discussion here, but I greatly prefer the time length of games in LOTV. Hots games were extremely long, and didn't lead to a greater diversity of play or strategy. The meta has been pretty narrow.

I think there is a lot to be said for shorter games, the practicality of it. For example, I just wouldn't play a game that was such a time investment.

This is just an alternative opinion, I completely understand your viewpoint though.

I think the economy should compress the overall time and reward expansion though out the map at a faster pace.
fluidrone
Profile Blog Joined January 2015
France1478 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-06 09:57:01
July 06 2015 09:54 GMT
#466
Thank you Geiko, you should have posted one day earlier [#insert maniac laughter here#], I got temped for using tl rather than being a part of it (sorry!), I would have gladly hyped/roleplayed further with you along those pages, alas that time has passed.

Pure macro fun necessitates and dictates that these resources layouts and characteristics be honed to death, or at least that we have tried to optimize all that is do able from what blizz will not budge from.
We should not let the dust settle (after blizz's major change introduced in LotV beta) and continue to lobby further.

Thank you to frb dh hm and all community experiences.

On how to get blizz to fold, I think they already have with LotV.. to the extent that they will invest in that aspect of present and future sc (I might add that I'm surprised and happy that at least they did "try" something "new").

This is why I agree with Geiko's way (and I do mean roleplay not as "the content is optimal"), not as an end all be all, just as one further pit stop unto another and yet another etc.. until a purist use of resource gameplay is made.
Yes, I am a renegade of mapmaking and would like purism in my economy gameplay, while wanting chaos on most of the other layers of the best rts ever made! I hope that means something, probably not?

Content wise...
Wow Geiko, you must be insider trading with blizz, you are literally saving esports with your compromise that will please no one, please do more because I fear for my sc!

Doing more:
have a stream with pros discussing the issue with mapmakers!
Video on the maps with a skype call.
They play the maps and everyone (players/mapmaker obs/players and chat!) discusses it live.

#sc forever
Edit/ps: I'm the 1% of the 4% so what do I know?
"not enough rights"
Geiko
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France2034 Posts
July 06 2015 10:26 GMT
#467
Haha awesome post, glad we can agree on at least some thing

Can't really answer at length or keep the discussion going as much as I would want to because IRL is catching up and I haven't got access to a computer for next couple of days...

But I do hope the epic match will turn produce some intersting games !
geiko.813 (EU)
Randomaccount#77123
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States5003 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-07 16:18:25
July 06 2015 19:06 GMT
#468
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
July 06 2015 20:59 GMT
#469
On July 07 2015 04:06 Barrin wrote:
alright im working on a serious response, but I gotta say

Show nested quote +
On June 26 2015 09:17 Geiko wrote:
More expansion + strong harass units = more action all over the map = scrappy and spectator friendly games. This is Blizzard's idea

No. Just no.. That was not this Blizzard's idea.

--p.s.--

lol that wasn't even remotely the most inflammatory thing you said (of course I did find that on just the first page)

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On June 29 2015 20:49 Geiko wrote:
Haha, some of you need to "chillax homeboy" and to "take a chill pill my dawg" (is that how you say ? my english isn't so good...). We're just discussing simple economy models on an internet forum dedicated to video games. Take a step back and breath in deeply ^^

As I've PMed Lilium, it's al in good fun.


Textbook troll.

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On June 29 2015 16:28 Geiko wrote:
Once again, you people attack me on style and not on substance.

I shall try, but bro, you've made it as hard as you could have.

--p.s.s.--
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On June 30 2015 01:27 Geiko wrote:
I sent you a PM BronzeKnee.

dude... 4/5... i've never given a 4/5 to a troll before..

Barrin, why are you stirring shit up for no reason? I thought we were past all that.
If you're not going to give any constructive criticism than please just don't post at all in this thread.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Randomaccount#77123
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States5003 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-07 16:15:27
July 06 2015 21:36 GMT
#470
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Geiko
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France2034 Posts
July 06 2015 21:47 GMT
#471
Haha, you've got an obsession with trolls My dear Barrin. Since kbb unlocked the thread, I've been nothing but serious, please don't try to derail this thread again, everything was going so well ?
Let's shake hands and agree to end this futile dispute shall we ?
geiko.813 (EU)
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
July 06 2015 21:48 GMT
#472
Point is, there's been 6 pages without this so called trolling and here you are stirring shit up again, literally.

Just don't.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-06 21:57:56
July 06 2015 21:57 GMT
#473
Just don't post in the thread if you don't want to enlighten us with your superior top-secret ciphered knowledge, Barrin.

Show nested quote +
On June 26 2015 09:17 Geiko wrote:
More expansion + strong harass units = more action all over the map = scrappy and spectator friendly games. This is Blizzard's idea

No. Just no.. That was not this Blizzard's idea.

I really don't see how Geiko's statement on Blizzard's goals was so wrong that you need to use fucking italics for emphasis.
"People have to spread out more, which means there are more attack paths that the opponent can take, which can create more action," Kim said.
(in http://www.redbull.com/us/en/esports/stories/1331689918474/legacy-of-the-void-s-quiet-revolution)
This is so NOT Blizzard's idea indeed.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
July 06 2015 22:03 GMT
#474
On July 07 2015 06:57 ZenithM wrote:
Just don't post in the thread if you don't want to enlighten us with your superior top-secret ciphered knowledge, Barrin.

Show nested quote +
On June 26 2015 09:17 Geiko wrote:
More expansion + strong harass units = more action all over the map = scrappy and spectator friendly games. This is Blizzard's idea

No. Just no.. That was not this Blizzard's idea.

I really don't see how Geiko's statement on Blizzard's goals was so wrong that you need to use fucking italics for emphasis.
Show nested quote +
"People have to spread out more, which means there are more attack paths that the opponent can take, which can create more action," Kim said.
(in http://www.redbull.com/us/en/esports/stories/1331689918474/legacy-of-the-void-s-quiet-revolution)
This is so NOT Blizzard's idea indeed.

Hey, are the games still on tomorrow? If so, is the stream as well, I don't have SC2 installed at the moment

:o
I Protoss winner, could it be?
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
July 06 2015 22:23 GMT
#475
Yeah, we'll duke it out with LDaVinci. :D
Bo5? What about maps?
I can try to setup a stream (of my POV of course), but I don't know if I have a good enough connection for it (I just switched connections recently).
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
July 06 2015 22:30 GMT
#476
On July 07 2015 07:23 ZenithM wrote:
Yeah, we'll duke it out with LDaVinci. :D
Bo5? What about maps?
I can try to setup a stream (of my POV of course), but I don't know if I have a good enough connection for it (I just switched connections recently).

And BlackLilium too I believe? iirc LDaVinci offered to stream as well and will Geiko be near a computer?
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Randomaccount#77123
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States5003 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-07 15:56:20
July 06 2015 22:43 GMT
#477
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Randomaccount#77123
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States5003 Posts
July 06 2015 22:45 GMT
#478
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Geiko
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France2034 Posts
July 06 2015 23:05 GMT
#479
On July 07 2015 07:30 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2015 07:23 ZenithM wrote:
Yeah, we'll duke it out with LDaVinci. :D
Bo5? What about maps?
I can try to setup a stream (of my POV of course), but I don't know if I have a good enough connection for it (I just switched connections recently).

And BlackLilium too I believe? iirc LDaVinci offered to stream as well and will Geiko be near a computer?


If ZenithM can stream I can try to tune in to watch with my laptop, but I'm not getting my computer back for another week at least. I'm in the middle of moving into my new apartment and I can't guarantee anything at this point
geiko.813 (EU)
ShambhalaWar
Profile Joined August 2013
United States930 Posts
July 07 2015 06:42 GMT
#480
Good job keeping this conversation going guys.

And good job working together, BlackLilium
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