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Geiko
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France1964 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-03 00:04:06
July 03 2015 00:03 GMT
#441
In the end I think maybe the only possibility would be to test GEM with HotS units against LotV with HotS units.
Something like Bo3 matches, first match on GEM, second match on LotV, and final game if necessary on GEM.
geiko.813 (EU)
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3304 Posts
July 03 2015 00:18 GMT
#442
On July 03 2015 09:03 Geiko wrote:
In the end I think maybe the only possibility would be to test GEM with HotS units against LotV with HotS units.
Something like Bo3 matches, first match on GEM, second match on LotV, and final game if necessary on GEM.

This is more or less what I meant. Hold variables like what units are included constant, and only study the difference between economy models. The only way you would run into problems is if LotV units specifically interacted weirdly with one model versus another, but that seems unlikely since how much money you're taking in and what units you spend it on are fairly separate elements of design.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
Geiko
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France1964 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-03 00:30:26
July 03 2015 00:29 GMT
#443
We also need to come up with a list of things to check for in the games.

Objective and measurable criteria like:
-number of bases taken
-number of workers killed
-time till 200/200

We would also need about 200 games played, which I'm afraid is not compatible with our limited means

LotV units are more focused on harassing then HotS units, it may be more difficult to expand in real LotV than in Hots with LotV economy. That's about the only thing I can see as slightly problematic.
geiko.813 (EU)
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
July 03 2015 00:33 GMT
#444
If we're like a dozen, we can go round robin and grab data like that :D. But yeah, ain't nobody got time for that.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28528 Posts
July 03 2015 10:21 GMT
#445
Ah, I see that all have agreed on HotS with LotV economy vs HotSGEM, seems the most attainable indeed. I take it it really isn't possible to "mod the beta"? If so, is it reasonable to expect it will be (before it's too late)?

It might not be possible to organize significant enough of a tournament so you could, alternatively, ad a request to the OP for people to play GEM and a HotS with LotV economy mod (<3 ZenithM? <3) and let them send in their replays (is this possible btw)? Far from ideal but better than nothing.

If you're adjusting the OP anyway you could maybe reduce the humor a bit. If this thread has shown anything it is that there's people still that didn't get any decent detection. Could be Blizzard employs some of those too..

I Protoss winner, could it be?
Geiko
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France1964 Posts
July 03 2015 10:24 GMT
#446
If anybody wants to play me on HotS+GEM, PM me. I'll bo3 anyone, though my HotS is a bit rusty I can maybe put up an average-ish master level game ?
Penev or ZennithM ?
Barrin or BlackLillium ? :D
geiko.813 (EU)
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28528 Posts
July 03 2015 10:32 GMT
#447
On July 03 2015 19:24 Geiko wrote:
If anybody wants to play me on HotS+GEM, PM me. I'll bo3 anyone, though my HotS is a bit rusty I can maybe put up an average-ish master level game ?
Penev or ZennithM ?
Barrin or BlackLillium ? :D

I don't think rage quits are useable for testing (no, not talking 'bout myself hihi) but "rusty"doesn't even begin to describe the state I'm in but I'm pretty sure ZenithM still plays.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
BlackLilium
Profile Joined April 2011
Poland426 Posts
July 03 2015 10:35 GMT
#448
On July 03 2015 19:24 Geiko wrote:
If anybody wants to play me on HotS+GEM, PM me. I'll bo3 anyone, though my HotS is a bit rusty I can maybe put up an average-ish master level game ?
Penev or ZennithM ?
Barrin or BlackLillium ? :D

I am barely platinum player.
[MOD]Economy - Hot Mineral Harvesting
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28528 Posts
July 03 2015 10:48 GMT
#449
On July 03 2015 19:35 BlackLilium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2015 19:24 Geiko wrote:
If anybody wants to play me on HotS+GEM, PM me. I'll bo3 anyone, though my HotS is a bit rusty I can maybe put up an average-ish master level game ?
Penev or ZennithM ?
Barrin or BlackLillium ? :D

I am barely platinum player.

<3
I Protoss winner, could it be?
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
July 03 2015 11:08 GMT
#450
I can play, but I won't be on a good enough computer until Monday or Tuesday :/. I'm not sure at what level, at least diamond but don't get your hopes up :D
LDaVinci
Profile Joined May 2014
France130 Posts
July 03 2015 11:58 GMT
#451
Good to see this thread as been going well and all serious.
I would have liked to participate in the testing, but I won't have so much time. If you fix a date, then I might be able to join you.
I'm diamond though, and rather low diamond, so if I'm to play against masterish players, it won't be of any use.
Those who refuse to become better, already stop being good
Geiko
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France1964 Posts
July 03 2015 13:06 GMT
#452
Awesome, tuesday 20:00 CEST, showmatch between LDa Vinci and ZenithM , bo5 !
geiko.813 (EU)
BlackLilium
Profile Joined April 2011
Poland426 Posts
July 03 2015 13:07 GMT
#453
On July 03 2015 22:06 Geiko wrote:
Awesome, tuesday 20:00 CEST, showmatch between LDa Vinci and ZenithM , bo5 !

Where will we be able to see it?
[MOD]Economy - Hot Mineral Harvesting
Geiko
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France1964 Posts
July 03 2015 13:10 GMT
#454
We'll probably cast it from replays and put it on youtube. If anyone wants to cast it live, they can PM me and we can make it happen !
geiko.813 (EU)
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28528 Posts
July 03 2015 13:26 GMT
#455
On July 03 2015 22:06 Geiko wrote:
Awesome, tuesday 20:00 CEST, showmatch between LDa Vinci and ZenithM , bo5 !

Cool! Any offracing or all TvT's?
I Protoss winner, could it be?
LDaVinci
Profile Joined May 2014
France130 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-03 14:45:21
July 03 2015 14:44 GMT
#456
haha I guess I didn't say it was ok for tuesday for sure ^^. I'll have to confirm later on. For now I cannot though.
If I'm going to play, I'll have to play Z. My T and P are low silver I guess.
Also, I can stream it live :-)

Is this good for sure for ZenithM ?

Edit : What is the prize pool ? ;-)
Those who refuse to become better, already stop being good
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
July 03 2015 17:04 GMT
#457
goodluck with your test.

I have a not to much related question. Everyone goes wild about Minerals to break up the 3 base situation. But why does everyone want to keep double gas ?
When Blizzard introduced the idea they wanted it to be a decision to have only 1 extractor and have constant gas income, or burn through it in no time by taking two.
When they released the beta I always felt it was pointless to have 2 per base apart from draining 3 supply. At some points players even used to only have 2 workers per gas for certain things.

I know it breaks the game, but so are Blizzards or the Community's eco changes. Just curious why the focus lies on the Minerals.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
July 03 2015 17:17 GMT
#458
On July 03 2015 23:44 LDaVinci wrote:
haha I guess I didn't say it was ok for tuesday for sure ^^. I'll have to confirm later on. For now I cannot though.
If I'm going to play, I'll have to play Z. My T and P are low silver I guess.
Also, I can stream it live :-)

Is this good for sure for ZenithM ?

Edit : What is the prize pool ? ;-)

Hahaha I had said nothing either but I guess I can do it so it's fine :D
LDaVinci
Profile Joined May 2014
France130 Posts
July 03 2015 20:11 GMT
#459
ok it will be ok for me Tuesday if it's fine for Zenith also.
What is your race ? If you're T, I'm afraid it will be a no match for you. I'm so bad at this match up...
Those who refuse to become better, already stop being good
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
July 03 2015 20:23 GMT
#460
I'm Terran, yes :D
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