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On May 28 2015 04:29 dust7 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 04:26 Quateras wrote:And now its becoming more and more hots with 1 or 2 new units :S ugh
come on blizzard blow me away with massive changes please /o\ There won't be massive changes. At this point, Blizz is in the state of fine tuning the stats of units and that's all there is to come for LotV. A few people just need some more months of beta to realize this.
erm, didn't they just introduce a whole new unit?
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Their attack range looks buggy. Why would it be possible to shoot further than what the circle shows.
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On May 29 2015 00:16 Foxxan wrote:
Their attack range looks buggy. Why would it be possible to shoot further than what the circle shows.
According to nath you can apparently glitch it to have two working zones.
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On May 29 2015 00:16 Foxxan wrote:
Their attack range looks buggy. Why would it be possible to shoot further than what the circle shows.
It can only attack in other liberator circles. It's kind of like the siege tank who can shoot further than it's vision range
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On May 29 2015 00:16 Foxxan wrote:
Their attack range looks buggy. Why would it be possible to shoot further than what the circle shows.
Their ground attack has the range of 15, but they can only place red circle at the range of 7 I think and because of that they are able to shoot at the red circle area of other Liberators.
I thought that it was bugged at first, but if they really are working like this this can be interesting.
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IMO with 15 range it gets really hard to balance such a unit, because it gets so much better the more you have.
GL splitting your army decently vs a dozen of red "dots" that instakill any unit that touches one of them. From 15 range. Flying. It probably has smart targeting too, so they don't overkill. The unit isn't that expensive either, and it can be reactored.
Edit: Ok not really from 15 range, at least one of them needs to be at 7 range to cast the furthest away dot.
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Ok just saw this at legacy of the ultras, and then tested it myself.
Roaches can actually burrowmove at slow speed after roachspeed is researched. (without tunneling claws!) When you research tunneling claws they get increased burrowmove speed. I guess this is a bug?
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GL splitting your army decently vs a dozen of red "dots" that instakill any unit that touches one of them. From 15 range. Flying. It probably has smart targeting too, so they don't overkill. The unit isn't that expensive either, and it can be reactored.
It's a projectile, so it does overkill (I've seen it happen several times on stream). I think it probably should require a reactor though.
Edit: Ok not really from 15 range, at least one of them needs to be at 7 range to cast the furthest away dot.
Every targeting circle has to have a Liberator within 7(?) range. So if you're using a forward Liberator to spot, you can snipe that one and the rest won't be able to fire.
The unit is really interesting IMO. It and the Lurker are the first real zone control units in this game. I don't know why they didn't change the tank to fit that role, but eh, I'll take what we can get. Slow pushes with this thing are really cool to watch.
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I was really confused about this unit. At first I thought it would only be able to attack into its own circle. Admittedly that's a bit confusing when you have multiple liberators, so being able to fire into all the circles which are within range makes sense, but it does mean that when you have 3+ liberators it's easy to cut off an entire attack path. I also reckoned it must be a tech lab unit, since having a 150/150 unit which you can make from a reactor seems excessive, but apparently this is possible. Of course any notion of sky terran would be silly with all the useful units hidden behind tech labs, so I can see why Blizzard made this decision, but it does seem extreme in other ways.
On May 29 2015 00:38 Athenau wrote:Show nested quote +GL splitting your army decently vs a dozen of red "dots" that instakill any unit that touches one of them. From 15 range. Flying. It probably has smart targeting too, so they don't overkill. The unit isn't that expensive either, and it can be reactored. Edit: Ok not really from 15 range, at least one of them needs to be at 7 range to cast the furthest away dot. Every targeting circle has to have a Liberator within 7(?) range. So if you're using a forward Liberator to spot, you can snipe that one and the rest won't be able to fire.
I think this is also confusing. It's a unit with 15 range and apparently even if you have vision you can't shoot at the max range unless randomly there is a liberator in between? There's not really an intuitive in-game reason for this to happen.
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On May 29 2015 00:38 Athenau wrote:Show nested quote +GL splitting your army decently vs a dozen of red "dots" that instakill any unit that touches one of them. From 15 range. Flying. It probably has smart targeting too, so they don't overkill. The unit isn't that expensive either, and it can be reactored. It's a projectile, so it does overkill (I've seen it happen several times on stream). I think it probably should require a reactor though. Show nested quote +Edit: Ok not really from 15 range, at least one of them needs to be at 7 range to cast the furthest away dot. Every targeting circle has to have a Liberator within 7(?) range. So if you're using a forward Liberator to spot, you can snipe that one and the rest won't be able to fire. The unit is really interesting IMO. It and the Lurker are the first real zone control units in this game. I don't know why they didn't change the tank to fit that role, but eh, I'll take what we can get. Slow pushes with this thing are really cool to watch.
I 100% agree it's interesting and I also thought about the tank could have been great at fitting that role heh :D Just wanted to point out it gets hard to balance such a unit. See what happened to the tempest, altho everyone agrees that unit is oh so much more boring.
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On May 29 2015 00:41 Grumbels wrote:
I was really confused about this unit. At first I thought it would only be able to attack into its own circle. Admittedly that's a bit confusing when you have multiple liberators, so being able to fire into all the circles which are within range makes sense, but it does mean that when you have 3+ liberators it's easy to cut off an entire attack path. I also reckoned it must be a tech lab unit, since having a 150/150 unit which you can make from a reactor seems excessive, but apparently this is possible. Of course any notion of sky terran would be silly with all the useful units hidden behind tech labs, so I can see why Blizzard made this decision, but it does seem extreme in other ways.
If you're spreading out your targeting circles to cover a larger area, that means your Liberators are exposed since each one has to be within range 7 of its own circle. So there's a risk-reward mechanic there.
I dunno, I don't think sky-terran should be a thing (massing air units is terrible since they ignore terrain), so I don't like the lack of a reactor requirement, but as a supplement for ground based tech paths (bio or mech) the Liberator looks super cool.
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Maybe they'll start taking Starcraft more seriously after Heroes launches next week. They are working hard, and after that, they'll put all focus on Starcraft, and Legacy will be awesome...
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On May 29 2015 00:48 Sakat wrote:
Maybe they'll start taking Starcraft more seriously after Heroes launches next week. They are working hard, and after that, they'll put all focus on Starcraft, and Legacy will be awesome...
Santa doesn't exist
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On May 29 2015 00:54 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2015 00:48 Sakat wrote:
Maybe they'll start taking Starcraft more seriously after Heroes launches next week. They are working hard, and after that, they'll put all focus on Starcraft, and Legacy will be awesome... Santa doesn't exist
It was a joke
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On May 28 2015 23:56 purakushi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 21:47 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
I like the general chat, game feels more alive already. They just need to add back portraits and multiple windows and stuff. Just need an updated BW interface like http://i.imgur.com/cmgDb.png
I would pay so much money for that.
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On May 29 2015 00:54 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2015 00:48 Sakat wrote:
Maybe they'll start taking Starcraft more seriously after Heroes launches next week. They are working hard, and after that, they'll put all focus on Starcraft, and Legacy will be awesome... Santa doesn't exist
You are cruel.
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On May 29 2015 00:58 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 23:56 purakushi wrote:On May 28 2015 21:47 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
I like the general chat, game feels more alive already. They just need to add back portraits and multiple windows and stuff. Just need an updated BW interface like http://i.imgur.com/cmgDb.png I would pay so much money for that.
Like 30-40 dollars for the addon?
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On May 29 2015 00:58 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 23:56 purakushi wrote:On May 28 2015 21:47 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
I like the general chat, game feels more alive already. They just need to add back portraits and multiple windows and stuff. Just need an updated BW interface like http://i.imgur.com/cmgDb.png I would pay so much money for that.
Sorry they will make more Abathur pyjamas instead
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On May 29 2015 00:45 Athenau wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2015 00:41 Grumbels wrote:
I was really confused about this unit. At first I thought it would only be able to attack into its own circle. Admittedly that's a bit confusing when you have multiple liberators, so being able to fire into all the circles which are within range makes sense, but it does mean that when you have 3+ liberators it's easy to cut off an entire attack path. I also reckoned it must be a tech lab unit, since having a 150/150 unit which you can make from a reactor seems excessive, but apparently this is possible. Of course any notion of sky terran would be silly with all the useful units hidden behind tech labs, so I can see why Blizzard made this decision, but it does seem extreme in other ways. If you're spreading out your targeting circles to cover a larger area, that means your Liberators are exposed since each one has to be within range 7 of its own circle. So there's a risk-reward mechanic there. I dunno, I don't think sky-terran should be a thing (massing air units is terrible since they ignore terrain), so I don't like the lack of a reactor requirement, but as a supplement for ground based tech paths (bio or mech) the Liberator looks super cool.
Well, I'll agree with you in not liking the idea of sky terran (not unless there is a serious redesign of air units and mechanics, which will never happen), but I think that if Blizzard does want to promote it that they can't have all air to ground units requiring tech labs because that makes the infrastructure too expensive, so that's why the lack of tech lab requirement for the liberator makes sense.
Actually, now that I think about it trying out something like sky terran seems like the sort of experiment which is doomed to fail but still potentially interesting for a lengthy beta process. I don't think that's really what Blizzard is doing here though.
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