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On March 20 2015 17:01 Cascade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 12:38 GinDo wrote:On March 20 2015 11:37 The_Red_Viper wrote:On March 20 2015 11:24 ZeromuS wrote:On March 20 2015 11:05 Gamegene wrote:
meanwhile no one cares about zerg drops :c Honestly overlords can move fast and can drop they just cost upgrades  If they already arent both one upgrade, they probably should be but idk what you would wanna drop out of an overlord Roaches and lings wont be useful to drop. Hydras maybe and ultras i guess, perhaps old baneling bombs would come back but they only stopped cuz it was too much to invest to get a bane nest vs Protoss and vs terran its better to actually have the banelings to defend while harassing with mutas. Lurker drops man SSSHHHHH. No one needs to remember that crap. Combine muta harass with lurker drop. Mutas take out turrets, lurkers kill marines. Don't have tanks or thors? gg! I think the lurker will force the terran to go at least partial mech: tanks or thors, because I really don't see what would beat muta-lurker in the usual TvZ bio force. Or does the hurricane kill lurkers?
Can´t you just play bio+few thors and WM to zone out the mutas and use marauders to kill the lurkers or just drop so zerg can´t defend their lurkers with mutas and then kill the lurkers with bio which has quite a decent DPS?
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So many abilities.. they are once again falling for the warcraft 3 syndrome..
And nothing whatsoever for high ground advantage other than looking pretty.
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Let the key begging begin!!!
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On March 20 2015 10:44 Big J wrote:
btw, is "make everything invulnerable" the new "make everything faster"?
Nydus, Stasis, Shade, Disruptor, Immortal; even pick up micro and its buffs are enforcing invulnerability (units inside a transport cannot be attacked)
Do we now hate when stuff dies or what? I always thought stuff blowing other stuff up was the cool part of the game and combat delay tactics was what sucked...
It's because we wanted battles to last longer  Longer battles - invulnerable units; More micro - faster units @Blizzard logic.
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On March 20 2015 11:24 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 11:05 Gamegene wrote:
meanwhile no one cares about zerg drops :c Honestly overlords can move fast and can drop they just cost upgrades If they already arent both one upgrade, they probably should be but idk what you would wanna drop out of an overlord Roaches and lings wont be useful to drop. Hydras maybe and ultras i guess, perhaps old baneling bombs would come back but they only stopped cuz it was too much to invest to get a bane nest vs Protoss and vs terran its better to actually have the banelings to defend while harassing with mutas.
They move at 1.88speed with the upgrade, that's Thor speed. Very few units move that slow!
It makes it so that you can neither get away, nor catch up to opponents by using drops. And least of all can you just fly through a single turret like one does with medivacs and warp prisms these days.
By the nature of having mass overlords all the time (and their cheapness) I understand it cannot be the same as a Prism or Medivac, but there's plenty of room for other forms of dropplay. For example they could just make the overseer a transport too with or without Ventral Sacs (and adjust costs). They've been looking for a better use for that unit anyways and non-violent transport would fit their requirement of not being combat capable in anyway (because 0supply) perfectly.
For what to drop, I think that hydras and banelings are quite good and though zerglings arent hard to clean up it's still a free unit that forces attention to deal with or you can take a lot of damage from it.
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Can someone explain to me why the adept should be a core unit of Protoss army? I don't see it. To me it seems like a ground version of Oracle, speedy harass unit. For example - how am I supposed to stop drop with this? Or Oracle? I cannot see this unit as a must go to unit, but more like "Reaper" unit, good for scouting, maybe some harass, useless later in the game.
I just don't see it 
I searched through the thread and haven't seen this explained(I hope I am not that blind :D).
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On March 20 2015 18:02 deacon.frost wrote:Can someone explain to me why the adept should be a core unit of Protoss army? I don't see it. To me it seems like a ground version of Oracle, speedy harass unit. For example - how am I supposed to stop drop with this? Or Oracle? I cannot see this unit as a must go to unit, but more like "Reaper" unit, good for scouting, maybe some harass, useless later in the game. I just don't see it I searched through the thread and haven't seen this explained(I hope I am not that blind :D).
not every unit needs to be massed and a moved; protoss already has plenty of "core units" to mass and a move with so you'd have to remove one if you want another in.
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On March 20 2015 18:06 Gamegene wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 18:02 deacon.frost wrote:Can someone explain to me why the adept should be a core unit of Protoss army? I don't see it. To me it seems like a ground version of Oracle, speedy harass unit. For example - how am I supposed to stop drop with this? Or Oracle? I cannot see this unit as a must go to unit, but more like "Reaper" unit, good for scouting, maybe some harass, useless later in the game. I just don't see it I searched through the thread and haven't seen this explained(I hope I am not that blind :D). not every unit needs to be massed and a moved; protoss already has plenty of "core units" to mass and a move with so you'd have to remove one if you want another in.
So it's not a new core unit then? I don't get it, it's not trolling or something, I just don't see this unit a core unit the same way I don't see Reaper a core unit for Terran.
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maybe that's the point; it looks like they want to replace the flimsy "4 stalker blink squads" or the zealot warp in right clicks and give protoss some real harassment.
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On March 20 2015 18:02 deacon.frost wrote:Can someone explain to me why the adept should be a core unit of Protoss army? I don't see it. To me it seems like a ground version of Oracle, speedy harass unit. For example - how am I supposed to stop drop with this? Or Oracle? I cannot see this unit as a must go to unit, but more like "Reaper" unit, good for scouting, maybe some harass, useless later in the game. I just don't see it I searched through the thread and haven't seen this explained(I hope I am not that blind :D).
Wouldn't that depend on the stats?
If it is costefficient in combat you are going to produce it a lot and the shade is probably just an extra like burrow movement is just an extra of roaches and not its core use.
If it is some rather expensive glasscanon and it's core role is to shade around (e.g. with a very low shade cooldown) and avoid death through that spell it is probably as you say.
Or it is like an Immortal in combat and you only build it in limited scenarios and then since you have it you also use it for harass.
I think discussion about the adept's role is pretty moot currently due to that. They keep on telling us that their unit has that shade spell, but haven't told us about what unit we are talking about.
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Czech Republic12128 Posts
Well that's basically it, they say "The Adept is a core gateway unit with a ground-only ranged attack and normal movement speed. This unit utilizes its Psionic Transfer ability to teleport to nearby locations." and so far I saw some harassment and I cannot see it.
Unless it means it is a Cybernetics Core unit... 
I know it's too early, but I just don't see it and I fear this will be just a niche(?) unit useless later in the game. And you cannot blame me for the fear when you see what happened with the Oracle(cheesy unit) or Tempest(boring unit, though it's a core unit in late game, I give them this)
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On March 20 2015 18:24 deacon.frost wrote:Well that's basically it, they say "The Adept is a core gateway unit with a ground-only ranged attack and normal movement speed. This unit utilizes its Psionic Transfer ability to teleport to nearby locations." and so far I saw some harassment and I cannot see it. Unless it means it is a Cybernetics Core unit... I know it's too early, but I just don't see it and I fear this will be just a niche(?) unit useless later in the game. And you cannot blame me for the fear when you see what happened with the Oracle(cheesy unit) or Tempest(boring unit, though it's a core unit in late game, I give them this)
Yeah, I see where you come from, but so far their concept could be quite ok for combat.
Let's theorycraft for a moment:
The adept has low-mid range it seems like
It has rather normal speed (maybe a little bit faster than 2.25?)
It can only attack ground
It has no splash(?)
Probably some form of bio/psionic/light unit (without extra damage from +vs armored?!)
twilight tech?
So far this sounds like the unit could be around the strength of a roach or marauder or anti-marauder (good vs light) for direct combat, since it hasn't any major advantages aside from shade. Which honestly didn't look all that powerful either in the videos, more like a delayed 10-20range blink/scout feature that requires normal ground movement? Like, I know where you are going because I see the shade and you are forced to teleport there with the adpet after starting it, so I can surround the shade and wait for your adept to suicide, right? Or I just kill the adept before it teleports.
Given its movement speed, it's also not like your adepts can be out on the map against zerglings or roaches or bio, unless it is just a good combat unit to begin with.
Edit: I just realized that:
- either you cannot walk through the shade, so after all Protoss will keep a form of forcefield that cannot be destroyed by the Ravager
- or you can walk through shades which means that you can stack shades into each other making it hard to tell how many adpets are going to pop up in your base. Also you can use shades to push other units away, by moving into the other players unit and then wait for the adept to materialize to push the other unit out of the way e.g. that pesky Gatekeeper-Zealot at the ramp
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On March 20 2015 18:43 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 18:24 deacon.frost wrote:Well that's basically it, they say "The Adept is a core gateway unit with a ground-only ranged attack and normal movement speed. This unit utilizes its Psionic Transfer ability to teleport to nearby locations." and so far I saw some harassment and I cannot see it. Unless it means it is a Cybernetics Core unit... I know it's too early, but I just don't see it and I fear this will be just a niche(?) unit useless later in the game. And you cannot blame me for the fear when you see what happened with the Oracle(cheesy unit) or Tempest(boring unit, though it's a core unit in late game, I give them this) It has no splash(?)
According to this article its attack deals damage to multiple enemies.
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On March 20 2015 18:47 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 18:43 Big J wrote:On March 20 2015 18:24 deacon.frost wrote:Well that's basically it, they say "The Adept is a core gateway unit with a ground-only ranged attack and normal movement speed. This unit utilizes its Psionic Transfer ability to teleport to nearby locations." and so far I saw some harassment and I cannot see it. Unless it means it is a Cybernetics Core unit... I know it's too early, but I just don't see it and I fear this will be just a niche(?) unit useless later in the game. And you cannot blame me for the fear when you see what happened with the Oracle(cheesy unit) or Tempest(boring unit, though it's a core unit in late game, I give them this) It has no splash(?) According to this article its attack deals damage to multiple enemies.
I hope this is true. It's pretty cool to see such an early unit have splash. Will create cool micro situations in really low unit count skirmishes where every hitpoint matters.
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On March 20 2015 18:47 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 18:43 Big J wrote:On March 20 2015 18:24 deacon.frost wrote:Well that's basically it, they say "The Adept is a core gateway unit with a ground-only ranged attack and normal movement speed. This unit utilizes its Psionic Transfer ability to teleport to nearby locations." and so far I saw some harassment and I cannot see it. Unless it means it is a Cybernetics Core unit... I know it's too early, but I just don't see it and I fear this will be just a niche(?) unit useless later in the game. And you cannot blame me for the fear when you see what happened with the Oracle(cheesy unit) or Tempest(boring unit, though it's a core unit in late game, I give them this) It has no splash(?) According to this article its attack deals damage to multiple enemies.
Oh well, then it is probably even better for combat than I thought
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Czech Republic12128 Posts
On March 20 2015 18:47 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 18:43 Big J wrote:On March 20 2015 18:24 deacon.frost wrote:Well that's basically it, they say "The Adept is a core gateway unit with a ground-only ranged attack and normal movement speed. This unit utilizes its Psionic Transfer ability to teleport to nearby locations." and so far I saw some harassment and I cannot see it. Unless it means it is a Cybernetics Core unit... I know it's too early, but I just don't see it and I fear this will be just a niche(?) unit useless later in the game. And you cannot blame me for the fear when you see what happened with the Oracle(cheesy unit) or Tempest(boring unit, though it's a core unit in late game, I give them this) It has no splash(?) According to this article its attack deals damage to multiple enemies.
So in theory this can be used effectively for drop defense with chargelots tanking damage, adept killing bio(medevac is healing 1 unit) and some stalker killing medevac. This could actually work and will enable small skirmish fights all over the map. I hope this is the role of the unit - early "splash" unit until you get storm/colossus/kamikaze-ball.
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So hyped for this! Adepts seems really cool, statis ward has a lot of possibilities, teleporting battlecruisers, ravagers, lurkers... Only thing i really dislike is the tempest one hit kill spell.
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Another question - stasis ward applies for ground unit only? In the hype video it was used against Hydras, but damn this could be cool against Mutalisks
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On March 20 2015 19:03 deacon.frost wrote:Another question - stasis ward applies for ground unit only? In the hype video it was used against Hydras, but damn this could be cool against Mutalisks
I feel like the disruptor and the stasis field should be removed ASAP! Imagine a world with FF, stasis field, time warp and invulnerable balls of destruction rolling around. Sounds like super duper fun gameplay!
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On March 20 2015 19:03 deacon.frost wrote:Another question - stasis ward applies for ground unit only? In the hype video it was used against Hydras, but damn this could be cool against Mutalisks
yeah, I bet you are getting all hard just thinking about running a Templar there trying to unleash your stormy passion all over my defenseless mut-muts
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