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[Patch 10.19] Vex Champion Release Discussion

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AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-09-22 05:09:38
September 22 2021 05:09 GMT
#1
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Patch 11.19: Live on Sep. 22, 2021

Team Fight Tactics Patch 11.19 Live on Sep. 22, 2021


Vex, The Gloomist will be released this patch. To find out more click the links below:

Vex Abilities Rundown
Vex Champion Bio
Vex Champion Insights
Vex Champion Trailer

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M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4177 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-09-22 08:34:12
September 22 2021 08:28 GMT
#2
if vex is half decent (and riot will adjust her to be decent or even strong) she will eat between 5 and 8 bans every game imo. In league of mobility and some other stuff, no yasuo, zed, yone wanna be will ever miss to ban her

p.s. in the lights of rising Talon jungle, I was thinking that throughout my whole 8 years of league life, I;ve always read how strong Talon is, high pick rates, high win rates, op and shit, but I personally almost never see this champ in my games between silver and diamond. Its like 1 Talon for every 100 Zeds, Yasuos, Akali, Irelia even Yone now. I feel like Talon is not attracting the same player base that is attracted to Zed and Yasuo, not sure though, but this is how i feel in my games
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Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9331 Posts
September 22 2021 08:52 GMT
#3
Ye Talon's "fantasy" or whatever it's called is significantly different from Zed's or Yasuo's. Those two let you feel like you're outplaying your opponents, while Talon is mostly about popping your victims. That doesn't feel as rewarding, which might explain why he's not as popular as other edge lords.
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M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4177 Posts
September 22 2021 08:59 GMT
#4
Well then perhaps he actually belongs to the jugnle with Kha, Rengar and Evelyn :-)
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AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
September 22 2021 09:59 GMT
#5
On September 22 2021 17:59 M2 wrote:
Well then perhaps he actually belongs to the jugnle with Kha, Rengar and Evelyn :-)


Talon and Zed are both viable junglers now. Zed getting the hype but you can do Talon too! Seeing them both rise in popularity atm.

I've been grinding quite a lot recently and what I've discovered is...

1. Amumu jg is dead. Long live support amumu.
2. Yoummus is GIGA busted and Riot not nerfing it this patch is ??? Shows that they really want to see the Zed jungle hype for worlds.
3. Tank junglers absolutely suck rn and are pre much unplayable into the youmus rush comps that get you popped from 15-25 mins in 2 seconds.
4. Enchanters that can cuck the youmus champs (lulu/janna) should be prioritised more...at least for soloq...probs need tank supps in competitive.
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DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
September 22 2021 10:30 GMT
#6
- Idk what Riot is thinking, Camille is the most picked top laner in Masters+ right now by a mile, and has a 55% winrate. She's looking like a priority pick for Worlds, and Riot gave her a pointless little nerf last patch, that's it.
- Wtf is that Aatrox W buff, it's huge. But still a risky picki, when Camille/Fiora/Irelia/Riven can dance around him while outscalling hard.
- Qiyana also looks incredibly strong, along with Zed jungle. Not sure what to make of them.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
September 22 2021 15:00 GMT
#7
On September 22 2021 18:59 AdsMoFro wrote:
3. Tank junglers absolutely suck rn and are pre much unplayable into the youmus rush comps that get you popped from 15-25 mins in 2 seconds.

Tanks have sucked for a long time. Between how much penetration there is in the game and tuned down tank itemization assassins can oneshot them, bruisers and juggernauts just straight up murder them. Right now blind picking a tank is like blind picking Leona where you cross your fingers you're not against a Janna OTP, except the pool of champions that murder tanks are many many times higher.

I've been messing around with tanks for most of the season and Locket as mythic feels far better than Bami's. Unless you are against another tank (lol) the dot is borderline useless since fights are too short or they just outsustain you despite Thornmail and Locket's active+passive is approximately a million times stronger than the Bami items since you play tanks for teamfights. Hell, it's cheaper too.

Kind of how the OG Targons with %HP targeted shield was lowkey broken on tanks too, so is Locket IMO.
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DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
September 23 2021 08:44 GMT
#8
It's also the sheer depth of viable AD bruisers, you can't ban them all. If you want to play a tank, you have to accept that the opponent will pick one of Irelia/Camille/Riven/Fiora/Sett/Jax/Aatrox. It's not even a question of being counter picked, those champs are the 7 most played top laners in Masters+ and are present in 70% of games.

Riot has tried to balance out Goredrinker/Stridebreaker/Sunderer all year long, but have done a pretty poor job of it. Throw in Steraks and the situational items, and Bruiser's have the best itemization in the game, they don't really have any 'bad' items atm.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9331 Posts
September 23 2021 15:19 GMT
#9
Aren't Sion and Ornn fine, but less fun to play and more team reliant, and therefore less popular than bruisers?
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DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
September 24 2021 11:17 GMT
#10
Sion's pickrate has been creeping up for the last 2 months, while his winrate keeps dropping. He has one of the lowest winrates in Plat+ top lane, so I don't think he's in a good spot. 48% winrate vs most of the bruisers I listed above, vs Riven it drops to 38.5% wtf.

Orrn has a good overall winrate in Plat+, and does OK vs most bruisers except Fiora and Camille, no surprise there. Seems like a perfectly viable champ imo, he is decently popular too, 2.5% pickrate
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
September 24 2021 15:19 GMT
#11
On September 24 2021 00:19 Sent. wrote:
Aren't Sion and Ornn fine, but less fun to play and more team reliant, and therefore less popular than bruisers?

Tank Sion get bodied by basically every popular toplaner. Ornn is "alright" because he can upgrade his team's items and at level 13 he gets a small breathing room from the sudden influx of indirect gold, if you want to play a bulky frontline that can empower your carries you are much better off playing Shen since he do the same but can also actually fight back and arguable has better engage+peel. Basically he is "alright" because he can right click on allies post 13.

Poppy is the only tank I would consider fine, but that's entirely because she can be very strong as a counterpick.
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M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4177 Posts
September 24 2021 15:23 GMT
#12
Question, Fiora hit me with her W (parry) while she was blocking a CC from my jugnler, he dodged the W, but it hit me and I was stunned without using any ability at all, I was just walking towards her, I did not even tried to dodge the W coz she was cornered. Is this a normal interaction or its a bug? Like Fiora W is so messed up that I dont know what to think
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Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-09-24 16:35:30
September 24 2021 16:35 GMT
#13
It blocks an attack and then shoots it back out at whoever it's targeted at.
It's basically a spell shield skill shot. If incoming is cc you get stunned if she lands it on you, if it's no cc, she slows you with it.
Don't think it's a bug though, feels like that's what the skill is supposed to do.
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Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
September 24 2021 20:05 GMT
#14
On September 25 2021 00:23 M2 wrote:
Question, Fiora hit me with her W (parry) while she was blocking a CC from my jugnler, he dodged the W, but it hit me and I was stunned without using any ability at all, I was just walking towards her, I did not even tried to dodge the W coz she was cornered. Is this a normal interaction or its a bug? Like Fiora W is so messed up that I dont know what to think

It's intentional, it's in the skill description.

"If Fiora parries an immobilizing effect, the stabbed enemy is stunned rather than slowed"
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4124 Posts
September 25 2021 09:36 GMT
#15
On September 24 2021 00:19 Sent. wrote:
Aren't Sion and Ornn fine, but less fun to play and more team reliant, and therefore less popular than bruisers?

Ornn is kind of fine but Sion is a bit of an int pick. It gets abused by most of the goredrinker users and even if it doesn't, those champions are just so much more versatile in ways they can play out the game.

New champs seems gigabroken btw, abuse it while you can.
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
September 25 2021 13:23 GMT
#16
On September 25 2021 18:36 Fildun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2021 00:19 Sent. wrote:
Aren't Sion and Ornn fine, but less fun to play and more team reliant, and therefore less popular than bruisers?

Ornn is kind of fine but Sion is a bit of an int pick. It gets abused by most of the goredrinker users and even if it doesn't, those champions are just so much more versatile in ways they can play out the game.

New champs seems gigabroken btw, abuse it while you can.


Most definitely, Riot gonna come for that wave clear and mana costs ASAP
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9246 Posts
September 26 2021 16:39 GMT
#17
Vex in ARAM is the most fun I've had in quite a while in this game, was getting all giddy with each successive R hit. Broken as hell there though, synergy with Horizon Focus is too good.
susu1702
Profile Joined November 2020
United States4 Posts
September 29 2021 08:41 GMT
#18
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Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4124 Posts
September 30 2021 19:06 GMT
#19
BTW, if anybody is interested, our very own Scip has qualified for TFT worlds!
Worlds will be held from tomorrow till sunday, let's pray for good RNG.
AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
October 01 2021 00:31 GMT
#20
On October 01 2021 04:06 Fildun wrote:
BTW, if anybody is interested, our very own Scip has qualified for TFT worlds!
Worlds will be held from tomorrow till sunday, let's pray for good RNG.


Is it on riotgames twitch? Or is there a TFT only Twitch.
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