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Patch 11.2: Live on Jan. 21, 2021
Viego, The Ruined King, will be released in this patch. Find out more about Viego in the following links:
-Viego Abilities Rundown
- Ruination Cinematic
- Viego Champion Bio
Team Fight Tactics Patch 11.2 Live on Jan. 21, 2021
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Quick scroll through of this patch. They jokin? How does Kaisa escape a single nerf lmao.
ARAM only changes:
How is Akali still getting buffs??? Champ is bonkers in ARAM.
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Champ is bonkers everywhere. Give her 2 kills and she takes over the game without effort lol.
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i dont agree that kaisa is really strong because of her stats atm. the champ doesnt need a nerf, its collectors that needs a nerf.
any champ that utilises collectors well is automatically s tier. imo they should replace the crit stat on collectors with something else or remove it entirely so that the item loses synergy with crit builds.
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Germany4194 Posts
On January 21 2021 09:28 AdsMoFro wrote:
Quick scroll through of this patch. They jokin? How does Kaisa escape a single nerf lmao.
ARAM only changes:
How is Akali still getting buffs??? Champ is bonkers in ARAM.
The gap between low and high MMR ARAM seems so hard to grasp when you see changes like that. Even more absurd are the minute buffs and nerfs they have started introducing. Ezreal now takes 3% more damage instead of 5%, does this actually make a difference on winrates? Imo SR changes have a much bigger impact on ARAM winrate, and make such small adjustments meaningless.
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On January 21 2021 15:58 evilfatsh1t wrote:
i dont agree that kaisa is really strong because of her stats atm. the champ doesnt need a nerf, its collectors that needs a nerf.
any champ that utilises collectors well is automatically s tier. imo they should replace the crit stat on collectors with something else or remove it entirely so that the item loses synergy with crit builds.
I think that would be a good change for collectors. The ADC build path has been smoothed out so well now that it's essentially a perfect 2-item spike that's untouchable for every other class. If their AD gets to 2-items before yours...it's kinda gg unless somebody on your team is giga-fed to the point of 3 items at the same mark and even then it's close...
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Being executed actually feels really bad tbh. Seems like an unnecessary win more mechanic.
Jhin/Draven 2 shotting you or whatever was already the case when they're fed, only now it's even worse, somehow.
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everything is about one shotting and executing in the game right now. hell even a single rotation of a tank one shots/executes you, so I dont see why the adcs should not have executes as well
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5% hp isn't alot, but it still makes room for those sub 100hp outplays still. They do happen and it feels significant to be able to have agency in that department.
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I honestly dont understand how the adcs can be viable nowadays. Its a class that is all about damage, its literally the only virtue they have but the best in it. However, when every other class has the same, enough or even more damage than the adcs, why the adcs should be viable when they bring nothing else. And how do we make them viable? giving them more damage is irrelevant coz its not necessary
p.s. naturally the only viable adcs are the ones that play similar to other classes. Jihn, Samira, Kaisa is there anyone else?
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Think it's like you said, some ADC are just really strong overall, so they kind of carry the position through. Also, their strengths in the duo lane (not lv dependent, zone/harass melee enemies, tower pushing power) are still there. I wonder if Syndra/Cass/Viktor bot will start to pop up again.
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Is it just me or does Viego seem kind of underwhelming?
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On January 24 2021 18:55 Jek wrote:
Is it just me or does Viego seem kind of underwhelming?
yeah you can say that
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Now imagine an equally fed Yi/Yasuo/Jax/<inset melee carry> in a similar situation against feeding champs. The only thing I see Viego as a champion enabled was tricking Yasuo to stay with his E and the Yasuo missing a dash knockup somehow. Using Viego's passive to dodge Samira's spin was pretty sexy tho, but would any of the other champs even had been in that situation to begin with? I mean if Faker had been on something like Yi he would have murdered them all before Samira even had enough rating to R.
He just seem like a synapse highlight reel champion to me. Just what do he do better than other melee carries? If the enemy have multiple champions that counter each other I can see it I suppose, but eh. He just seem a little worse at anything the other melee carries do.
I dunno. I'm just so unimpressed. Guess I'll give the challs a month or so before I judge him.
Honestly wouldn't be surprised if he turns out to be an off-tank instead of the full glass canon carry.
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Germany4194 Posts
Yeah, that Viego took forever to kill the opponents considering how fed he was. Duskblade Yi would've killed them all in 3 AA. Everyone missed a bunch of stuff in that video too.
I have not seen him much on stream so far, hard to judge what Challenger makes of him.
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That ~1,5 second invulneravility/untargetability is super infuriating to play against. Reminds me of Fizz's troll pole.
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On January 26 2021 02:01 DarkCore wrote:
Yeah, that Viego took forever to kill the opponents considering how fed he was. Duskblade Yi would've killed them all in 3 AA. Everyone missed a bunch of stuff in that video too.
I have not seen him much on stream so far, hard to judge what Challenger makes of him.
Watching it, I gotta agree.
I'm pretty sure at least half the top lane roster can do that, or better. A number of them would've killed the yasuo in a single rotation of spells by the time they get 2 levels ahead and a full item up.
Which is to say, for once Riot didn't release someone who's absolutely broken.
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Now that I've seen him played more on stream, Viego seems to be super hit or miss, and I can't tell if it's because of the champ or because people don't know how to play him. One game he's 1vs2ing Aatrox and the jungler ezpz, the next game he goes 0/12 against a different Aatrox. Shocking number of people in Challenger/GM are also willing to blind pick him mid when something like Anivia is open and meta.
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Taking my post from the obsolete thread: what makes Udyr so popular in pro play all of a sudden? Just because there's so much damage now and he's a decently tanky jungler to move in and out?
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he has one of the fastest clears (including time taken to eat scuttle) and he can solo anyone in jungle early. teams are just trying to use his pressure and speed to snowball
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