EPTIf anything it's an ignite/ghost buff.
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
If anything it's an ignite/ghost buff. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
In practice this just makes camping a TP top super attractive, especially if your laner has a offensive summoner compared to TP. You can all-in to force a TP with ignite, and do it twice more before TP would come up again early on. Back to the days of chad top laners with flash ignite? I wonder if you should take spellbook if you really want TP at this point. CD difference isn't huge until lategame, and it gives you another summoner to use. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
Or maybe he's always been good and we were all just hard scrubs back in the day without mechanics? Or has Riot hard buffed him since like S6 / S7? Idk, maybe I'm just on a lucky streak, but I've been playing him a lot lately and he seems hard OP. | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4186 Posts
On March 11 2020 09:49 Amui wrote: The goal was to stop ADC's/mids from taking teleport for lane as they are less likely to do what they want with it, which is use it strategically for flanking. In practice this just makes camping a TP top super attractive, especially if your laner has a offensive summoner compared to TP. You can all-in to force a TP with ignite, and do it twice more before TP would come up again early on. Back to the days of chad top laners with flash ignite? I wonder if you should take spellbook if you really want TP at this point. CD difference isn't huge until lategame, and it gives you another summoner to use. Spellbook will definitely be more attractive with that change, but it still deprives you from a fighting key stone and I am not sure that a long ass cooldown summoner is more valuable than a fighting key stone, unless the champion is so strong that it doesnt really need a key stone or no key stone is good enough. I personally think that this TP change is more of a nerf, champions who can take fighting summoners should probably take them, while champions who dont really benefit from fighting summoners, well too bad for them  | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5232 Posts
Prepare yourself for slugfests. Either this, or game becomes more fighting summoner focused and teams will have to reinvent themselves once again (as we've had tp focused play for 3+ seasons now?) | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4186 Posts
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
Like the existence of Sona and Soraka top for 2 weeks gave us Janna top. Players will inject variety into the game because there's what, 150 champions? People will learn and adapt unless its blatantly overpowered, then tone it down so people CAN adapt. | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4186 Posts
On March 11 2020 20:07 chipmonklord17 wrote: Honestly, I'm kind of tired of Riot removing anything that's not being used how they "want" it. IE Soraka/Sona top, the support items, jungle anti funnel, TP changes. Just let people play the game and if something becomes oppressive, tone it down, don't remove it. Like the existence of Sona and Soraka top for 2 weeks gave us Janna top. Players will inject variety into the game because there's what, 150 champions? People will learn and adapt unless its blatantly overpowered, then tone it down so people CAN adapt. This is not how or to whom league is designed. This is an old school concept for more can I say manly generations of players who were willing to struggle and fight their way to overcome imbalances or tough challenges. League doesnt want to put its player base through such stages, its for the new generations who want it fast, easy and now. League does it in the best gengre and thus the most played/popular game ever/now | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
It's kind of funny because literally ADC+support bottom was a player base innovation. Original design was to have carries in mid lane. TF was an ADC, in with Ashe, Corki, trist and Sivir they were all designed to be mid lane carries that could gank. Notice how they all can hard shove waves and have mobility, CC, or both to impact the rest of the map by roaming. Literally all of their original champion Spotlights had them as solo laners. It was basically fnatic that started playing ADC+support in the first place, and most people laughed at them because legit double Bruiser often just hard pooped on ADC+support in lane. For example Doublelifts first "pro level" game with EG had him go legendary playing Blitzcrank in a BlitzStar lane for EG IIRC. I think in worlds S1 liftlift played LeeSin, Blitz, Janna, and Taric. Lol. Ah... Back in the day where the observer was literally a Teemo added to both teams. Lol. I miss those days. Meanwhile, since then whenever someone had innovated it's largely been nerfed out of existence due to playerbase cries. See lane swaps, funnel, the return of mage/bruiser bottoms, etc. | ||
GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On March 11 2020 23:34 M2 wrote: This is not how or to whom league is designed. This is an old school concept for more can I say manly generations of players who were willing to struggle and fight their way to overcome imbalances or tough challenges. League doesnt want to put its player base through such stages, its for the new generations who want it fast, easy and now. League does it in the best gengre and thus the most played/popular game ever/now It is disgustingly acceptable for League players to blame their own lack of skill on balance. Did Bisu become legendary because he bitched about PvZ until the devs patched it? No, he fucking overcame it like a boss and revolutionized the matchup. But nowadays even the pro players are so coddled that they think 48% winrate means LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE. And this is also why innovation is so rare in League. No one comes up with brilliant stuff, they just moan and bitch and keep playing standard and expect Riot to fix all their problems. | ||
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
 To be honest I think Soraka top could have been softcountered in many ways. Either by just playing an equally scaling champion top since Soraka at best can turn it into a farm lane, Kassadin or Sona could be candidates. Soraka sort of scale off her team just as hard as she does off levels/items so another option would be champions that can perma shove and fuck with her team Singed for instance. Heimerdinger or Ziggs could just bumrush down her tower and procede to do it in the rest of the lanes. On March 12 2020 03:16 GrandInquisitor wrote: When did "git gud" become "rito pls" is what I wanna know. When the Gen Z became teenagers. /actuallyserious | ||
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
That said, I do agree that Riot has deleted a lot of unique champ strats. But idk if that's really a bad thing, because there have been quite a few times when Riot didn't nerf shit fast enough, and it completely broke the game. Stuff like AP bot and Yasuo removing ADC from the game, Blue Ez, Assassin patch etc. The game isn't able to support unconventional picks well, because the game is never perfectly balanced, so we often see niche picks suddenly becoming insta pick or ban. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
The only thing fundamentally broken about funnel is Taric, and Master Yi. Imo, anyway. With the amount of targeted CC that riot has removed Yi is cancer, you give him CC and invulnerability and nothing in the game can stop him. Yi is a problem in general when ahead, and Taric just adds to much utility to a melee carry and is kind of busted with like half the melee champion pool as a funnel bitch. He hits over 70% winrate with stuff like Skarner, Olaf, AD Shyv, Xin, Trynd, Kass, etc. If you have say an Ivern or Zilean funneling a Rengar, winrate is only around 58%... And like... I think for how much cooperation you require to make that work, that feels fair to me. Like I said, pantheon plus Nidalee has the same winrate. Shyv and Ori nearly hit 60% but no one bitches about that... The easiest way to remove game breaking funnel from the game is just to add some counterplay to Yi and then make Taric more reliant on his W partner so he's punishable when the funnel recipient is not farming lane. Aside from Taric Yi funnel is easily beatable if you draft well, and hard exploitable in soloqueue. Thing is just that TaricYi is unbeatable because Yi has the highest DPS in the game, can dodge CC, and suddenly is guaranteed high farm and literally 5s to auto attack. I think TaricYi bot lane would hit like 60% winrate without funnel. Maybe higher. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
(Only tangentially related but hourglass should detach Yuumi ) | ||
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Canada10660 Posts
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
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Poland9331 Posts
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8939 Posts
loading screen is black and you just get failed to connect over and over. restarting lol doesnt work and youre basically forced to just remake a game no matter what. fucking useless ass company cant get a proper game client working. happens to me like 1/5 games now literally | ||
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