@s10exp

If you think jungle is bad try being a support that prefer enchanters. You're harming your adc more than helping since you're going to be duolaning much more than braindead champs like Leona or Nautilus.

evilfatsh1t

Australia8764 Posts

January 27 2020 23:43 GMT

#22

On January 28 2020 06:10 Bladeorade wrote:

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Did I say anything about 1v1ing the mid laner?

I was down 4 levels while have a very successful game

That is absolutely stupid

and im willing to bet the opposing orianna was also having a very successful game? shes not going to be 4 levels up on you by being 0/3/0. if she was, then you werent having a successful game at all.
people need to realise now that this season the jungle role is still as important as ever, only for different reasons. the games not about accelerating farm on as many lanes as possible, its about increasing the difference between the junglers so that you can take all the dragons.
stop whinging that the solo laners are eclipsing you in xp and instead get your huge laners to pressure their jungle with you. why do you think counter jungling was brought back to the game?
if you still want to play the s9 jungle role that leads in xp and roams all over the map and sets everything up, switch to mid; because thats essentially what the s9 jungle role was; a mid lane that came online faster

Jek

Denmark2771 Posts

January 28 2020 02:58 GMT

#23

^ I completely agree. The only times I've seen that massive level differences has been either in stomps or when it's a laner that has been solo splitting for basically the entire game. Junglers need to stop comparing their exp/gold to laners and rather to the enemy jungler instead.

DarkCore

Germany4194 Posts

January 28 2020 09:34 GMT

#24

Still think junglers should be a level down on solo laners for the most part, and a level up on the double lane. Snowballing and denial obviously skew that, but 4 levels is basically an advantage you can't really shut down anymore. You could argue that getting there should be rewarded (enemy must've fed that Ori pretty heavily, most likely killed other lanes/jungle too), but with jungle exp nerfs those situations become more common, a bit too much imo.

Preemptive change list for 10.3, which seems to be a lot of what we hoped. MF, Senna and Aphelios nerfs hopefully make other ADC even remotely pickable, although my bet is that Senna and Aphelios will continue to dominate.

And what do you know, the Sona buff was retarded, who knew

Jek

Denmark2771 Posts

January 28 2020 10:37 GMT

#25

Azir and Corki buffs..... yay

Uldridge

Belgium4957 Posts

January 28 2020 11:12 GMT

#26

Senna, the support that everyone plays as ADC, is so fucking busted with her glacial augment..

Sent.

Poland9246 Posts

January 28 2020 15:15 GMT

#27

How are you supposed to play around Senna's poke in the early game? I don't play a lot of bot/supp recently, but whenever I have to lane against her in the early game I have no idea how to react to her point and click poke. It's like laning against the old Pantheon and having to deal with the constant rain of his Qs, except it's worse because Senna's powerful autos don't cost mana.

iCanada

Canada10660 Posts

January 28 2020 18:23 GMT

#28

I like Setts kit, and I've been playing him a lot and popping off with him from the jungle, but I think his passive regen mixed with his shield is is OP.

I think they're both fine on their own, because you can outplay big ten with burst, and you can outplay a shield by just not attacking into the shield, but with them both combined Sett wins either way; if you disengage when he pop's W shield he regens a ridiculous amount, if you try and trade through the shield he kills you because he has like 200% eHP. Just too much raw survivability. He gets to kind of have his cake and eat it too.

The jungler in me would tend towards them nerfing the shield, because largely his passive is what makes him work in the jungle along with all the auto resets, but something has to give. I have a feeling riot will nerf the passive, because it makes more sense that the strong parts of the kit be active instead of passive.

Uldridge

Belgium4957 Posts

January 28 2020 18:23 GMT

#29

Yeah, csing actually feels bad when playing against her. Usually there's a mini game of going for cs or going for a small trade, but with her you just lose health every time, without necessarily even being able to cs lol.

DarkCore

Germany4194 Posts

January 28 2020 19:24 GMT

#30

His base damage is also quite high, simply because his ultimate and Q scale off the opponent's health, so it doesn't fall off. Same story with the fact he has built in true damage, which is quite difficult to dodge when you're in range for it. Imo either his damage needs to be toned down or his ability animations need to be made slower, because they're not really skill shots with how fast they activate. Probably both.

starkiller123

United States4030 Posts

January 28 2020 20:04 GMT

#31

On January 29 2020 00:15 Sent. wrote:
How are you supposed to play around Senna's poke in the early game? I don't play a lot of bot/supp recently, but whenever I have to lane against her in the early game I have no idea how to react to her point and click poke. It's like laning against the old Pantheon and having to deal with the constant rain of his Qs, except it's worse because Senna's powerful autos don't cost mana.

yeah I mostly play top but every once in a while I play AD and I have no idea how to lane against Senna lol

iCanada

Canada10660 Posts

January 28 2020 20:18 GMT

#32

Yeah, I'd agree his base damage is a touch high. A lot of his damage though is in auto resets / his passive. He scales pretty hard. I don't necessarily think it's a terrible thing though, he's kinda slow and easy to kite.

I think his inherent tankiness is more of a problem, but I could be wrong. I've been spamming him and lethality Graves
/ Pantheon though, so I'm used to blowing people up.

On the pbe they're buffing jungle XP from level 1 to 7 by 4.5%. Its a kind of convoluted change though, results in level 5 one camp earlier, level 6 in same camp break point. Strangely, they are buffing blue side note than red side, which is kind of weird because almost all junglers are pretty much just spam clearing Blue side as it is. I thought they said they wanted both sides to be more equal, but they're actually nerfing the first red spawns XP, and Raptors seem unchanged. Kind of bizarre. Krugs are recently buffed, but they still take 3 years to clear.... That Golem spawning time is awful.

And they're buffing crab by about 15xp, which seems heavy, given early game skirmishing junglers are already meta. More Lee + Elise I guess.

evilfatsh1t

Australia8764 Posts

January 29 2020 02:43 GMT

#33

ignoring godlike dodges and reactions because theyre too hard to consistently pull off, your only options are pick a duo that has good all-in or take tp on your ad and just try and go even in lane.
sennas still squishy so a strong duo can 100-0 him with ignite, otherwise you just give priority to senna and farm under tower and wait for ganks

Jek

Denmark2771 Posts

January 29 2020 04:56 GMT

#34

If you're premade just go Xerath+Brand, both max W and watch her ragequit after ~5 minutes. Her slow attack speed make it nearly impossible to miss W if she has the audacity to hit one of your minions.

DarkCore

Germany4194 Posts

January 29 2020 10:07 GMT

#35

That combo works against most bot lanes, not just Senna. Beating a super poke lane requires both the ADC to dodge 95% of skillshots, and the support knowing when/how to engage. Also having a jungler who doesn't ignore bot lane. Getting all 3 of those players in a game below Diamond is serious luck, you just don't see it because people emulate pro play too heavily.

Bladeorade

United States1898 Posts

January 29 2020 14:11 GMT

#36

On January 29 2020 13:56 Jek wrote:
If you're premade just go Xerath+Brand, both max W and watch her ragequit after ~5 minutes. Her slow attack speed make it nearly impossible to miss W if she has the audacity to hit one of your minions.

Yeah I feel like double mage is great vs Senna

I like Neeko/Veigar

Neeko doesnt really need a lot of gold to function I think she's going to end up being a decent support.

Unless she is I didnt play for like 2 years

DarkCore

Germany4194 Posts

January 29 2020 20:03 GMT

#37

She's not that great of a support because she offers very little to the team besides perma cc. So if you're going to play her bot, it's going to have to be a kill lane. She's very squishy and not that long ranged, there are a lot of reasons you rarely see Neeko anymore.

Turbovolver

Australia2394 Posts

January 30 2020 09:22 GMT

#38

Yo I mean I really have no idea but that sounds just about like exactly what you'd want from your support?

DarkCore

Germany4194 Posts

January 30 2020 11:23 GMT

#39

She has good harassment and burst, but she's very squishy and offers no sustain for her ADC. I'd rather pick a tanky all in champ like Leona or Thresh, they have Targons and often build Solari, especially because they're tanky enough to survive through a Neeko combo while the same does not apply in reverse. And in team fights, Neeko's root isn't a good form of peel since it channels in a straight line, while her ultimate is telegraphed. Neeko always has to be the one making the play, she can't deal with enemy engage. Hence a kill lane that kind of needs to snowball.

Other little things that come to mind are Janna ult negating her ult, Janna/Nami/Soraka looking like good picks vs her in general, Naut/Thresh/Leona kill lanes blowing her up etc.