• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 06:23
CET 12:23
KST 20:23
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win0Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175Evil Geniuses - shutting down23ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier7Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1
StarCraft 2
General
Liquibets sc2 season 30 Evil Geniuses - shutting down Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR?
Tourneys
WardiTV Mondays ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers [G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 550 Graveyard Shift The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles Mutation # 548 Shining Bright
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion Rollback Netcode in Brood War Top Players of October 2026 (EBPD Rankings) [Megathread] Daily Funny Videos How SKT1 S-Tiers Felt To Be Swept By Flash
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [$1250] International ShieldBattery League New Worlds Star League 2v2v2v2 Tournament Stage 1: Community Poll
Strategy
50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Deus Ex 3!? Mobile Legends: Bang Bang Armies of Exigo - YesYes?
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Chess Thread
Fan Clubs
Fan Club Resource Thread Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 11711 users

[Patch 9.4] Rek'sai Buffs!!! General Discussion - Page 3

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23464 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-25 18:47:55
February 25 2019 18:47 GMT
#41
On February 25 2019 08:20 Jek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2019 05:10 DarkCore wrote:
My cheering depends on
are they euro
is their jungle beta cuck or TeamAlphaMale


What does this even mean. Do you cheer for junglers who are willing to make big plays?

Do the Olaf build Redemption or Black Cleaver.


you mean trinity force?

why would you build bc on olaf he doesnt really proc the passive, does true damage anyway and doesn't focus tanks

although not sure trinity is the best item choice either maybe late game if warriors isnt enough
aka Teutonica
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 25 2019 21:04 GMT
#42
Isn't the theory behind Olaf building shit like Shurelia's because he is generally kinda useless lategame ever since they changed his ultimate?
Freeeeeeedom
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
February 25 2019 23:20 GMT
#43
Trinity is expensive and also doesn't give much health. The other power is that kindle gem is incredibly strong on Olaf, imo it's a better item in early than sheen for him for trading vs other tanks/duelists. TF First Olaf is pretty squishy, sure you deal big damage, but BC Olaf is earlier spike and he makes better use of the components.

And Olaf easily procs the passive, throw axe on minion and champion, pop W and enemy champ is unlikely to a trade.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
February 26 2019 00:59 GMT
#44
On February 26 2019 06:04 cLutZ wrote:
Isn't the theory behind Olaf building shit like Shurelia's because he is generally kinda useless lategame ever since they changed his ultimate?

Just build damage and end the game before you start falling off.
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
February 26 2019 06:19 GMT
#45
On February 26 2019 03:47 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2019 08:20 Jek wrote:
On February 25 2019 05:10 DarkCore wrote:
My cheering depends on
are they euro
is their jungle beta cuck or TeamAlphaMale


What does this even mean. Do you cheer for junglers who are willing to make big plays?

Do the Olaf build Redemption or Black Cleaver.


you mean trinity force?

why would you build bc on olaf he doesnt really proc the passive, does true damage anyway and doesn't focus tanks

although not sure trinity is the best item choice either maybe late game if warriors isnt enough

Trinity Force? Pre-rework Stormrazor rush Olaf, doesn't get more alphachadmurderdethkillah.

On February 26 2019 06:04 cLutZ wrote:
Isn't the theory behind Olaf building shit like Shurelia's because he is generally kinda useless lategame ever since they changed his ultimate?

He drops off in pro but in the chaos that is yoloQ he scales just fine IMO. As long as you build some real damage items (Sterak's+whatever). With full defensive items he's just a tank with strong early game but mediocre engage, horrible peel and low to medium damage. In yoloQ I'd much rather have a Nunu than a full tank Olaf on my team.

I think he's an execellent example on the differences in pro vs ranked. TFBlade playing nothing but carry/split pushers top regardless of compositions is another.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23464 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-26 19:08:20
February 26 2019 18:55 GMT
#46
On February 26 2019 08:20 DarkCore wrote:
Trinity is expensive and also doesn't give much health. The other power is that kindle gem is incredibly strong on Olaf, imo it's a better item in early than sheen for him for trading vs other tanks/duelists. TF First Olaf is pretty squishy, sure you deal big damage, but BC Olaf is earlier spike and he makes better use of the components.

And Olaf easily procs the passive, throw axe on minion and champion, pop W and enemy champ is unlikely to a trade.


Do you know what's cheaper than BC and gives hp? A giants belt.

At the end of the day it's only 400 gold worth of hp difference between trinity and bc, of course it's 800 gold more expensive so its like 1200 gold worth of hp if thats the stat you really want.

But at that point the damage differential is so high you haev to wonder why bother building BC at all just get more hp and steraks or something.

I'm not so sure about the strength of kindlegem but I'm not a big olaf player so I guess if cdr is that important I guess it's okay. But I would wager for the average case of running it down into the enemy team trinity force gives a lot more than BC + whatever other item you can get with the 800 extra or something.


EDIT: Seemingly 20% ->40% which is the biggest boost in dps is pretty significant like half the cd for your Q which is doin about 300 damage if you can catch it every second.

So there is something to be said for BC but I'm not sure it's the best way to build if you are ahead.

aka Teutonica
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-26 19:15:25
February 26 2019 19:11 GMT
#47
On February 27 2019 03:55 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2019 08:20 DarkCore wrote:
Trinity is expensive and also doesn't give much health. The other power is that kindle gem is incredibly strong on Olaf, imo it's a better item in early than sheen for him for trading vs other tanks/duelists. TF First Olaf is pretty squishy, sure you deal big damage, but BC Olaf is earlier spike and he makes better use of the components.

And Olaf easily procs the passive, throw axe on minion and champion, pop W and enemy champ is unlikely to a trade.


Do you know what's cheaper than BC and gives hp? A giants belt.

At the end of the day it's only 400 gold worth of hp difference between trinity and bc, of course it's 800 gold more expensive so its like 1200 gold worth of hp if thats the stat you really want.

But at that point the damage differential is so high you haev to wonder why bother building BC at all just get more hp and steraks or something.

I'm not so sure about the strength of kindlegem but I'm not a big olaf player so I guess if cdr is that important I guess it's okay. But I would wager for the average case of running it down into the enemy team trinity force gives a lot more than BC + whatever other item you can get with the 800 extra or something.


EDIT: Seemingly 20% ->40% which is the biggest boost in dps is pretty significant like half the cd for your Q which is doin about 300 damage if you can catch it every second.

So there is something to be said for BC but I'm not sure it's the best way to build if you are ahead.


From what i remember scip mentioned that after 30% cdr the decreased cd on axe becomes negligible, because if your mixing autos between each axe, plus the movement to pick up minimum range axes, the last 10% doesn't actually increase your dps.

Might be remembering wrong though.

Also i think he used to go cleaver in some games, but one of the main issues with cleaver was that the mana on triforce was really nice, and you don't get that anywhere else if you go a standard cleaver into tank build. All this is is remembering from when he showed me some builds like 2 years ago though lol.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23464 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-26 19:14:34
February 26 2019 19:13 GMT
#48
well either way assuming ur getting warriors then trinity or bc is 10->30% anyway but bc allows you to get your hp+cdr slightly faster (takes 2 items to get hp+cdr if you're going trinity route)

but you're basically optimizing for a short period of the game which might be a shrinking window if you are pretty fed and are basing with lots of gold anyway
aka Teutonica
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 26 2019 20:18 GMT
#49
On February 26 2019 15:19 Jek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2019 03:47 Slayer91 wrote:
On February 25 2019 08:20 Jek wrote:
On February 25 2019 05:10 DarkCore wrote:
My cheering depends on
are they euro
is their jungle beta cuck or TeamAlphaMale


What does this even mean. Do you cheer for junglers who are willing to make big plays?

Do the Olaf build Redemption or Black Cleaver.


you mean trinity force?

why would you build bc on olaf he doesnt really proc the passive, does true damage anyway and doesn't focus tanks

although not sure trinity is the best item choice either maybe late game if warriors isnt enough

Trinity Force? Pre-rework Stormrazor rush Olaf, doesn't get more alphachadmurderdethkillah.

Show nested quote +
On February 26 2019 06:04 cLutZ wrote:
Isn't the theory behind Olaf building shit like Shurelia's because he is generally kinda useless lategame ever since they changed his ultimate?

He drops off in pro but in the chaos that is yoloQ he scales just fine IMO. As long as you build some real damage items (Sterak's+whatever). With full defensive items he's just a tank with strong early game but mediocre engage, horrible peel and low to medium damage. In yoloQ I'd much rather have a Nunu than a full tank Olaf on my team.

I think he's an execellent example on the differences in pro vs ranked. TFBlade playing nothing but carry/split pushers top regardless of compositions is another.


I mean, soloQ is kinda uninteresting to think about.
Freeeeeeedom
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
February 28 2019 18:30 GMT
#50
Conquerer's is legit bonkers on Kassadin in the late game
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
February 28 2019 22:47 GMT
#51
On March 01 2019 03:30 DarkCore wrote:
Conquerer's is legit bonkers on Kassadin in the late game

Kassadin late game? Even the special tech Guardian Kassadin is bonkers.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
March 01 2019 08:06 GMT
#52
It comes online before 16 though because he suddenly has a heal on him, which is something he didn't have before. LV 11 Kass can be surprisingly hard to kill if he's not being focused. And because it's not hard for him to proc 5 times, he gets a lot of damage really fast too, no need to buff his damage late even more.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
March 02 2019 03:59 GMT
#53
Riot realizes their new ranked system in Korea and NA isn't going over well.



We’re investigating how we can solve these, including further changes to splashing and bigger bonuses to your main position. Based on the feedback and reception, we’re also evaluating whether we should end the position rank previews and go back to a single rank.



This system doesn't accomplish what they wanted at all. I really feel like the heads of the project got rolling and no one at Riot took the time to ask, "why are we doing this?"
St3MoR
Profile Joined November 2002
Spain3256 Posts
March 02 2019 10:39 GMT
#54
seems like a shitfest, hopefully it doesn't find his way to EUW, at least until it works XD
Prophet in TL of the Makoto0124 ways
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
March 02 2019 10:50 GMT
#55
It seems more to me that Riot ONLY looked at the end goals for this project, and never analyzed the unintended consequences. Most importantly, it looks like they just assumed all the abuses, exploits and frustrations could be solved, when really a lot of these have to do with limitations of the concept itself. Tweaking algorithms only does so much, they're basically trying to patch every abuse that pops up, which is either insanely difficult or leads to other unintended effects.

High level streamers are still facing obviously lower ranked people in EUW, the problem has still not been solved. Games are fiestas most of the time, takes the fun out of watching.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
March 02 2019 10:55 GMT
#56
Yup, barely works on populated servers and I can't imagine how it'd work in OCE.
Que Sera Sera
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
March 02 2019 19:27 GMT
#57
Classic riot “it’s working well but the players don’t see it that way”
Carrilord has arrived.
dsyxelic
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1417 Posts
March 02 2019 21:16 GMT
#58
they completely fucked it up

the problem isnt even low elo vs high elo

its that there is 0 incentive for players offrole/autofilled to try, so a lot of them just soft int/troll the game

before, they would simply have to dodge if they didnt want to lose their precious LP

now they dont have to dodge to lose LP (this especially matters in their promos) and waiting another 5+X+Y minutes for requeue/champselect/dodge timer is comparable to simply playing out the game and soft inting for 15-20 minute ff. Or hoping someone else dodges as you announce to the team you dont give a fuck about this game in particular because you are autofilled.

The concept of having separate ranks for positions intrigued me but the execution was piss poor
TL/SKT
boost_gg
Profile Joined March 2019
United States9 Posts
March 02 2019 22:21 GMT
#59
--- Nuked ---
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
March 02 2019 22:50 GMT
#60
That isn’t really true at all right now
Carrilord has arrived.
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Kung Fu Cup
20:00
2026 Week 30
IntoTheiNu 575
WardiTV204
RotterdaM143
TKL 64
Rex56
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Reynor 185
RotterdaM 143
Codebar 79
TKL 64
Rex 56
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 5750
Horang2 1297
Shuttle 1221
Jaedong 360
firebathero 359
Rush 247
Stork 196
Light 181
Zeus 172
hero 123
[ Show more ]
Soma 121
Soulkey 115
Snow 115
Pusan 109
Dewaltoss 102
Mind 93
Hyun 73
ZerO 68
Larva 56
Killer 33
soO 22
sorry 19
Movie 13
zelot 12
Hm[arnc] 10
yabsab 9
Creator 8
JYJ 3
Counter-Strike
fl0m4602
olofmeister1515
dupreeh648
Heroes of the Storm
crisheroes140
Other Games
B2W.Neo615
XaKoH 467
Pyrionflax184
DeMusliM138
ZerO(Twitch)9
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick509
Counter-Strike
PGL161
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 6
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Laughngamez YouTube
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• ChaeLyn 5
• iopq 5
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2184
• lizZardDota2214
• WagamamaTV65
League of Legends
• Stunt455
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
11h 37m
The PondCast
22h 37m
KCM Race Survival
22h 37m
OSC
1d 2h
IntoTheTV X SOOP
2 days
Reynor vs Solar
ByuN vs SHIN
Clem vs MaxPax
herO vs Rogue
IPSL
3 days
WorsT vs nOmaD
Dewalt vs andersOn
AI Arena Tournament
3 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
3 days
IPSL
4 days
Azhi_Dahaki vs ggnore13
Double vs WIZARD
Replay Cast
4 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
YoungYakov vs Lambo
SHIN vs TBD
Percival vs Shameless
Solar vs TBD
PiGosaur Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-11-02
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
Calamity Cup Div. A Season 8
IEM Beijing 2026
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

1xBet Invitational
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Underdog Cup 2026 Div 2-3
PGL Bucharest 2027
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.