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iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-23 15:23:07
February 23 2018 14:15 GMT
#41
On February 23 2018 21:30 Ansibled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2018 12:46 iCanada wrote:
I want Volibear to be good so bad, but he is garbage. Zzz...

Just can't clear fast enough at all.

Plz rework.

His winrate massively spiked on this patch.


Idk, he might be relatively strong and is certainly buffed this patch, but he's still a very flawed champ.

He's a level 3 jungler that gets there slowly. You need to snowball at level 3 or at least get ahead eniugh that you can contest the other guys jungle at that point or you lose jungle 100% against anyone that doesnt waste half their time.

That's your win condition; pop off before 15 minutes and get unkillable enough that you can run in and start a fight on one thing without dying.

Compared to WW he's totally garbage. Zero reason to lock him in over Warwick, who does the same thing but gets to 3 like 30s faster, is much more adaptable to random shit in game, snowballs just as hard, can keep up with almost every jungler in farm, and has reliable engage, CC, and real defence steroids.

Sad thing is WW himself isn't even an S tier jungler because of how important wraith camp is and how poorly he kill it. And he kills it better than Voli does AND can afford to buy tiamat because he has defensive steroids, a gapcloser, and an easier time escaping.
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4186 Posts
February 23 2018 14:25 GMT
#42
On February 23 2018 12:46 iCanada wrote:
I want Volibear to be good so bad, but he is garbage. Zzz...

Just can't clear fast enough at all.

Plz rework.

Looks like Voli is trying to find his place at top lane and doing it pretty good actually
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
February 23 2018 15:09 GMT
#43
Yea I played a game of Voli top, the knock back gives you surprising trade power
Carrilord has arrived.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-23 15:32:16
February 23 2018 15:26 GMT
#44
Voli always been sleeper op top, btw.

With passive up very few champs in the pool can 1v1 him early. And if he can get a lead very few can contest him at all til like 25 minutes. Need to get out of lane with him or he'll smash you. Ha ha.

It's more obnoxious because like you said, you can't trade with him when he flips you either or you take ridiculous minion damage.
General_Winter
Profile Joined February 2011
United States719 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-23 23:17:42
February 23 2018 23:03 GMT
#45
Ok. I’ve just spent entirely too much time mathing out the new ap items.

And I’ve turned all that analysis to answering one vital and metagame relevant question... what does AP Cho’Gath need to build to one combo an Alistar who is stacking HP and MR items?

The answer: you need sorcery boots, hat, void staff and three other high AP items. If one of those is a fully stacked spellbinder, then you can be flexible with the other two as long as at least one of those is a hextech trigger or torment. If you don’t have a fully stacked Spellbinder then to one combo Alistar you need a hextech item (like proto belt) and a lichbane and you have to hit both procs.

Hopefully I’ll have some more practical thoughts later on.
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-24 13:58:17
February 24 2018 13:56 GMT
#46
Can someone explain just how the remake system work?

We invade get three kills since Veigar, Annie, Cait and Nocturne is a metric fuckton of AoE CC and AoE damage early, they manage to kill me (the spicy support Veigar). Then they remake, all their laners have items and are level 2 so they have at least been within exp range for two waves...
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
February 24 2018 14:41 GMT
#47
On February 24 2018 22:56 Jek wrote:
Can someone explain just how the remake system work?

We invade get three kills since Veigar, Annie, Cait and Nocturne is a metric fuckton of AoE CC and AoE damage early, they manage to kill me (the spicy support Veigar). Then they remake, all their laners have items and are level 2 so they have at least been within exp range for two waves...


If one person didn't connect before you guys got those kills then its irrelevant. That's what I'm assuming happened.
Que Sera Sera
AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-24 14:48:33
February 24 2018 14:48 GMT
#48
https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/6G472GTv-quinn-changes-coming-soon-strike-from-the-sky

QUINN CHANGES. One of my fav champs. Her rework was complete dogshit btw and I knew from the start that issues were going to be apparent as soon as they failed to address the issue of her passive's clunkiness within her kit, as well as her R just feeling awful to start off with. These are correct moves within her current identity but I will forever miss her counter-AD mid lane assassin playstyle that I honestly wish Riot went all in on. It was my favorite playstyle out of them all. Playing top, you just abused ranged vs melee for the most part which wasn't very fun. Playing bot (haha nice joke). Mid lane, you were pretty screwed vs AP Mages, but vs Talon and Zed and some AP assassins I think she was a very good pick and just a very fun champ to play. Probably never going to get that though

Slated to be long-term, not released next patch at the very least.
Que Sera Sera
incinerate_
Profile Joined October 2010
172 Posts
February 24 2018 14:55 GMT
#49
Not sure if this is old news, but the probability distribution of chests are now public: support.riotgames.com
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
February 24 2018 15:13 GMT
#50
On February 24 2018 23:41 AdsMoFro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2018 22:56 Jek wrote:
Can someone explain just how the remake system work?

We invade get three kills since Veigar, Annie, Cait and Nocturne is a metric fuckton of AoE CC and AoE damage early, they manage to kill me (the spicy support Veigar). Then they remake, all their laners have items and are level 2 so they have at least been within exp range for two waves...


If one person didn't connect before you guys got those kills then its irrelevant. That's what I'm assuming happened.

Ah. That'd make sense since we never saw their mid during the slaughter not even taking a peek around the corner. Usually getting a DC suck, but I guess sometimes you get to be lucky.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
February 24 2018 18:19 GMT
#51
Did I miss the early sale?? Isn't is supposed to be last weekend of the month?
Carrilord has arrived.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 24 2018 19:44 GMT
#52
First thing I read about that quinn post is "more late game power, no lane bullying."

Lane bullying has become a weird term. When was the last time a champion became better at bullying in lane following buffs?
As far as I can tell aside from cases like Nunu being able to jungle again, all the lane bullies have been champions that were released as such and Riot's default stance is "nerf the laning and buff the ratios."
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
February 24 2018 20:20 GMT
#53
Lane bullies are bad for the agency of the players they play against. I think thats the buzzword they are using now.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
February 24 2018 20:51 GMT
#54
Quinn was an absolute disgusting monster top lane that just meant if you picked before Quinn and picked something that couldn't handle her then you are removed from the game. You better off just dodging the queue then participating in the game.

I assume that's the dynamic they want to fix. So instead of her being useless pick they can buff her to usefulness without making her instantly remove a player from the game.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-24 21:07:48
February 24 2018 21:04 GMT
#55
That champ still exists though, just not as Quinn.

You could just as easily play like AD leblanc or Vayne in the same spot. Speaking of which, everyone needs to play as A leblanc in to Nasus at least once in their lives. Fun game.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
February 24 2018 21:20 GMT
#56
I'd say Jayce is a more apt comparision. If you picking AD Lb top or Vayne then I'm rather happy. It's a nice easy win
dsyxelic
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1417 Posts
February 24 2018 21:32 GMT
#57
rumble seems reaaaaaaally good this patch
TL/SKT
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
February 24 2018 21:42 GMT
#58
AD Leblanc is actually pretty legit top in the right matchups.

http://na.op.gg/champion/leblanc/statistics/top

If you take out the 30 AP Leblanc games with a 40% winrate, you can deduce in 30 games AD leblanc has a winrate of like 70%. Leblanc isn't a good AD champion, but she is a champion that exists in the game, unlike the glorified melee minion the Nasus across from her is. Its also much scarier than Jayce in that matchup because you can gank the Jayce, but you can't gank the leblanc. And early game before you get half an item, all of LB's damage is magic so a lot of player will buy a null-magic as their leblanc opponent comes back with a BF sword. I guarantee that lane is 100x worse than anything Quinn could ever do to Nasus.

69% winrate on PTA Leblanc top in 32 games. According to every analysis I can find, thats the same winrate as playing 5v4 for 15 minutes. AD Leblanc is no joke.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
February 24 2018 22:49 GMT
#59
On February 25 2018 05:20 iCanada wrote:
Lane bullies are bad for the agency of the players they play against. I think thats the buzzword they are using now.

Only if their so overly oppressive that they remove the possibility of counterplay.
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
February 24 2018 23:05 GMT
#60
Lane bullies and hard counter matchups can be healthy for the game if there is a large web of viable picks that counter each other. But LoL has never reached that point, instead we either have Renekton blowing on everyone, or Gnar. Also if said bullies have real weaknesses, like terrible team fighting.

Vayne top is hilariously hit or miss, really depends on if enemy has a brain and understands he has to camp top.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
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