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General_Winter
Profile Joined February 2011
United States719 Posts
March 06 2018 15:46 GMT
#141
Before 8.5 hits this is your final chance to build bandit items in the top lane. I think frost fang Vlad into watchers is pretty great. You get so much gold without having to really do any work for it.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
March 06 2018 20:06 GMT
#142
I don't see any changes to Frostfang in the patch notes. What's changing about it?
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
March 06 2018 20:15 GMT
#143
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
TL+ Member
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
March 06 2018 20:27 GMT
#144
https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-85-notes
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
TL+ Member
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
March 06 2018 20:44 GMT
#145
On March 07 2018 05:27 Ansibled wrote:
https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-85-notes


I'm glad that they're making all of those loot changes, but I'm a little upset it wasn't the case already as my hextech annie shard will forever sit in my loot as I'll never ever get the OE required to unlock it
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
March 06 2018 21:42 GMT
#146
Cloud Drake now grants 2% bonus movement speed per stack, tripled while out of combat.


Interesting.

Overall a lot of changes considering it is only supposed to be a small patch.
Off-season = best season
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-06 21:57:01
March 06 2018 21:56 GMT
#147
https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/g3irv9JI-leblanc-mini-revert-context

Leblanc revert
Leblanc revert
Leblanc revert
Leblanc revert

THANKS RIOT
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 06 2018 22:06 GMT
#148
It is nice that they are reverting one of the weirdest reworks ever. I havent ever really understood the motivation the couple of times that they have intentionally made kits slower (the Zed R change, Gragas Q change, LB, etc).
Freeeeeeedom
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
March 06 2018 22:27 GMT
#149
Fizz ult revert where?
Carrilord has arrived.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8649 Posts
March 06 2018 23:17 GMT
#150
wow i was just thinking yesterday for the 100th time "i wish they would revert lb". riot listens to my thoughts
dsyxelic
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1417 Posts
March 06 2018 23:36 GMT
#151
fuck yes. I played both versions of lb a good amount but I definitely prefer the previous one
TL/SKT
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8649 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-07 00:03:03
March 06 2018 23:52 GMT
#152
also wtf at that ryze nerf?
they chunked his damage like crazy so noobs can last hit with e better? wtf????
edit: nvm. for a sec i thought it was a 50% reduction on overload procs rather than the actual spread. phew
lilwisper
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2515 Posts
March 07 2018 11:29 GMT
#153
*watches that skin vblog*

Good - Gun Goddess Ms Fortune - such a cool skin

Bad - Samsung Ez & J4 - up until now, champs never had more than one worlds skin, it was nice to see that different champs get to be at the forefront, now some of that magic feels gone if this goes through
General_Winter
Profile Joined February 2011
United States719 Posts
March 07 2018 17:00 GMT
#154
On March 07 2018 05:06 JonnyLaw wrote:
I don't see any changes to Frostfang in the patch notes. What's changing about it?



Ohhh. Looks like they pulled that at ththe last minute and are leaving it for 8.6.

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2018/03/31-pbe-update-more-tentative-balance.html?m=1
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
March 07 2018 21:14 GMT
#155
On March 07 2018 07:06 cLutZ wrote:
It is nice that they are reverting one of the weirdest reworks ever. I havent ever really understood the motivation the couple of times that they have intentionally made kits slower (the Zed R change, Gragas Q change, LB, etc).


In the case of Zed, I think it was justified because it meant that Zed could outplay pretty much everyone so long as you had the mechanics and the ping. When Zed could ult you, hit E and then recast ult faster than every champs AA animation and half the game's abilities, it meant he was just ridiculously slippery.

There was no need for the other champs to be slowed down though, because they were already decently dodgeable. Maybe LB was a bit too fast, but she only needed slight tweaks, not the rework.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
March 07 2018 21:29 GMT
#156
So how do we like Kai'sa?

How are you guys building her?
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-07 21:35:08
March 07 2018 21:34 GMT
#157
On March 08 2018 06:14 DarkCore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2018 07:06 cLutZ wrote:
It is nice that they are reverting one of the weirdest reworks ever. I havent ever really understood the motivation the couple of times that they have intentionally made kits slower (the Zed R change, Gragas Q change, LB, etc).


In the case of Zed, I think it was justified because it meant that Zed could outplay pretty much everyone so long as you had the mechanics and the ping. When Zed could ult you, hit E and then recast ult faster than every champs AA animation and half the game's abilities, it meant he was just ridiculously slippery.

There was no need for the other champs to be slowed down though, because they were already decently dodgeable. Maybe LB was a bit too fast, but she only needed slight tweaks, not the rework.



I mean, but that "Zed Outplay" isn't the outplay. The outplay is getting you low enough that Ult+1 Spell kills you (R-E at max level is essentially a 245 + 216% AD, roughly equal to 144 AP, pre-mitigation combo).

If that is happening from 80% the champ is just OP, but if you are complaining about getting assassinated by an assassin really fast when you are at 30%, umm ok.

Zed has been OP, but all those times were when his Shurikens were too good at killing minions while poking, or when the items fell in his favor.
Freeeeeeedom
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 07 2018 21:42 GMT
#158
The shurikens were made slower and they also couldn't miss because either they were too fast or specifically there W being basically instant made them virtually point'n'click undodgeable abilities.
So yeah he just jumps in and Es and gets out, but he's also going to land a double Q on your face and still has W to go back in if needed after dodging all your skillshot reactions (that or he doesn't because you don't react, which is fine with him anyway).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
crystal42
Profile Joined March 2018
Poland1 Post
Last Edited: 2018-03-07 23:14:17
March 07 2018 23:11 GMT
#159
--- Nuked ---
General_Winter
Profile Joined February 2011
United States719 Posts
March 07 2018 23:28 GMT
#160
Think you could build it second item on Elise to stay relevant for a little further into the game?
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