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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
November 26 2017 20:35 GMT
#81
I still don't really understand dark harvest. Do you just hope to fight while cannon dies and get a reset from someone dying in the fight?
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
November 26 2017 21:22 GMT
#82
Riot: Unbound Spellbook would be too OP if summoners didn't start on CD when you swapped to them even though the ability itself has a cd and it is a keystone

Also Riot: Welcome Zoe to League of Legends!
Carrilord has arrived.
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-27 05:24:57
November 26 2017 21:24 GMT
#83
I think it's mainly a jungler snowballing keystone. You'll basically have it for every gank you do, and hopefully by the endgame when it's hard to go farm jungle or grab a cannon you'll have 150 stacks and can easily save any harvest buff for any fight. Combine that with the in-fight resets and you've got something which can be a lot better than electrocute... if you're not behind.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
November 26 2017 21:25 GMT
#84
I just hate attack speed being tied to precision main tree.


A lot of champions feel very clunky without it. Like this thread once brought up that loads of people run AS runes on Mao, but that's not really an option anymore.

Dark Harvest looks strong on reset champs.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
November 26 2017 21:36 GMT
#85
well Mao at least got attack speed runes added to him baseline but they forgot a lot of champions
Carrilord has arrived.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
November 26 2017 21:38 GMT
#86
On November 27 2017 06:25 DarkCore wrote:
Show nested quote +
I just hate attack speed being tied to precision main tree.


A lot of champions feel very clunky without it. Like this thread once brought up that loads of people run AS runes on Mao, but that's not really an option anymore.

Dark Harvest looks strong on reset champs.

I still think that they need to make the stats you get pickable or at least tie them to your secondary rather than the primary.

It would open up more options than we have currently.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
November 26 2017 22:05 GMT
#87
On November 27 2017 05:35 Numy wrote:
I still don't really understand dark harvest. Do you just hope to fight while cannon dies and get a reset from someone dying in the fight?

Clear camp, get charged, go gank.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-26 22:10:19
November 26 2017 22:06 GMT
#88
On November 27 2017 06:36 Slusher wrote:
well Mao at least got attack speed runes added to him baseline but they forgot a lot of champions

The champions they left out on that were junglers that also laner, so they popped it on machete.

On November 27 2017 06:38 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2017 06:25 DarkCore wrote:
I just hate attack speed being tied to precision main tree.


A lot of champions feel very clunky without it. Like this thread once brought up that loads of people run AS runes on Mao, but that's not really an option anymore.

Dark Harvest looks strong on reset champs.

I still think that they need to make the stats you get pickable or at least tie them to your secondary rather than the primary.

It would open up more options than we have currently.

It's weird how they did that with Inspiration, but not anything else.
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
November 26 2017 23:58 GMT
#89
On November 27 2017 07:06 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2017 06:36 Slusher wrote:
well Mao at least got attack speed runes added to him baseline but they forgot a lot of champions

The champions they left out on that were junglers that also laner, so they popped it on machete.

Show nested quote +
On November 27 2017 06:38 nafta wrote:
On November 27 2017 06:25 DarkCore wrote:
I just hate attack speed being tied to precision main tree.


A lot of champions feel very clunky without it. Like this thread once brought up that loads of people run AS runes on Mao, but that's not really an option anymore.

Dark Harvest looks strong on reset champs.

I still think that they need to make the stats you get pickable or at least tie them to your secondary rather than the primary.

It would open up more options than we have currently.

It's weird how they did that with Inspiration, but not anything else.

The others each represent an archetype, so have stats for that archetype. Inspiration is meant to be random utility for anyone, so it takes it's bonuses from the archetype you spec into as secondary.

It kind of makes sense from a wishy washy creative design point of view, if not a practical one :p
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
November 27 2017 00:54 GMT
#90
It kind of makes sense


Nothing makes sense this season.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8937 Posts
November 27 2017 04:59 GMT
#91
On November 27 2017 03:39 killerdog wrote:
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On November 26 2017 19:10 NpG)Explosive wrote:
On November 26 2017 18:28 evilfatsh1t wrote:
also is it just me or do all keystones need to be nerfed in general (maybe other masteries too).
some of them arent that strong but other than a couple of outliers, they should be brought down a peg as a group imo.
i just had a game with lucian with pta and me and lux literally deleted a full hp ezreal at lvl 2 after lux got one q off.
getting deleted like that with almost no counterplay (heal only within a 0.5 second timeframe when you dont expect to be getting blown up and would prefer to use arcane shift instead) at lvl 2 without jg gank is pretty stupid.


About your example, would the situation have been different in season 7? Ez base stats are among the weakest in his class and lucian level 2 powerspike is a meme. Rather than PtA here, I think the early damage from poke supports is a bit too high. Aery+scorch+MR runes removal(+buffed spellthief?) is a lot of extra damage at early levels.

If all keystones are strong then I don't think it's a bad state for the game. Some still need some tweaks (I haven't seen phase rush used so far, both in my games or on streams), but so far the balance looked quite good in my games for preseason. Games are more snowbally than usual but I think it's a more a matter of people building more damage / trying new things / not caring as much than a balance issue.

I'm pretty sure if a level 2 lucian + lux land all their stuff on a level 1 ezreal, that ezreal has always died.

my issue wasnt that ez died. my issue was that he got deleted as if old lb came and qqe him with void deathcap. im not even exaggerating.
what would have happened in s7 is ez would arcane shift out, heal, kite back and probably burn a flash and then die, with lucian and lux using 2-3 spells.
this time me and lux used no spells and i didnt even get to see if ez used heal because he just died that fast
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
November 27 2017 09:10 GMT
#92
You blew up Ezreal just by AAing him to death at lv 1? Or did Lucian also use his Q/E? I just find that hard to believe, the difference in dmg of Lv 1->2 for Lucian passive and the keystones alone isn't large enough to just magically be the difference between Ez dying and staying alive.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8937 Posts
November 27 2017 11:51 GMT
#93
both lanes were lvl 2. so q-e combo for lucian and q-e combo for lux (not sure if lux weaved autos or not)
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-27 14:28:53
November 27 2017 14:28 GMT
#94
After seven seasons of meming we have the replay technology now. You can just upload a replay for us to see.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5232 Posts
November 27 2017 14:36 GMT
#95
Why don't supports start unbound spellbook with smite and hardcore invade jungle lvl 1/2/3 while you get a safe adc to farm lane with/let it crash into turret?
Taxes are for Terrans
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-27 15:01:03
November 27 2017 14:58 GMT
#96
On November 27 2017 23:36 Uldridge wrote:
Why don't supports start unbound spellbook with smite and hardcore invade jungle lvl 1/2/3 while you get a safe adc to farm lane with/let it crash into turret?

If I ever see a solo adc at level 1/2 I'd all-in at the level 2 we're 100% sure to get first either getting the kill or burning all sums. The AD will if he play safe be zoned from the two first waves and since you're both underleveled this early now you'd be for the entire lane phase too unless your jungler will spend a long long time bot leaving the enemy jungler to pretty much do whatever he please.

Basically level 2 and 3 advantage are way too important in botlane.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
St3MoR
Profile Joined November 2002
Spain3256 Posts
November 27 2017 15:00 GMT
#97
I would argue most supports would want a "real" keystone both aerie and aftershock are quite strong, but I can see the spellbook thingy working like you say in a couple of supps that don't use those to full effect or pick a different one altogether, like idk, morgana or maybe nami? something like that is what I would try it on, maybe TK but then you lose the grasp and that's also good on him
Prophet in TL of the Makoto0124 ways
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-27 15:02:17
November 27 2017 15:02 GMT
#98
Spellbook is very strong just for the CDR on sums and flex later on, but level 1 smite is really not worth it.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
St3MoR
Profile Joined November 2002
Spain3256 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-27 15:35:27
November 27 2017 15:34 GMT
#99
well you literally are exchanging your adc getting shit on with their jungler getting screwed hard, I would say it is worth exploring at least (the hard invade approach with 2 smites, or the support being annoying, both)
Prophet in TL of the Makoto0124 ways
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-27 15:39:35
November 27 2017 15:39 GMT
#100
The invade is not a 100% guarentee, if it doesn't work you're completely fucked in botlane. But I agree it is worth messing around with, it's preseason after all and my arguements are simply just from how I'd imagine it should turn out.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
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