[Patch 7.23] Zoe General Discussion

NeoIllusions

United States37500 Posts

November 20 2017 18:21 GMT

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Zoe, the Aspect of Twilight, will be released during patch 7.23!

Patch 7.23: Live on Nov. 21st, 2017

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St3MoR

Spain3256 Posts

November 20 2017 18:34 GMT

Taliyah buff!! Maybe I will manage to win a game now XD

Ansibled

United Kingdom9872 Posts

November 20 2017 18:37 GMT

This is a surprisingly small patch. I expected them to address more things.

JimmiC

Canada22817 Posts

November 20 2017 18:43 GMT

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VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

November 20 2017 18:44 GMT

dont worry, they took care of those shyvanas that were ruining everyones games

JimmiC

Canada22817 Posts

November 20 2017 18:48 GMT

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NeoIllusions

United States37500 Posts

November 20 2017 18:54 GMT

On November 21 2017 03:44 VayneAuthority wrote:
dont worry, they took care of those shyvanas that were ruining everyones games

What's wrong with Shyvana? I haven't played much on preseason but I watch streams nightly and I actually haven't seen a Shyvana yet.

Been seeing a ton of Jungle Trist tho... I blame Ansi.

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

November 20 2017 19:02 GMT

On November 21 2017 03:54 NeoIllusions wrote:

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What's wrong with Shyvana? I haven't played much on preseason but I watch streams nightly and I actually haven't seen a Shyvana yet.

Been seeing a ton of Jungle Trist tho... I blame Ansi.

yea that was sarcasm, you can pretty much assume at this point any post I make is negative towards riot lol she had like a 3% pick rate and that was their big nerf of the patch, really makes you wonder what they get paid to do for 2 weeks

NeoIllusions

United States37500 Posts

November 20 2017 19:07 GMT

On November 21 2017 04:02 VayneAuthority wrote:

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Ah, so she got nerfs, for who know why. Got it.
I just put the thread up and didn't have a chance to read it yet.

DarkCore

Germany4194 Posts

November 20 2017 19:36 GMT

#10

Jinx chompers have become the equivalent of Veigar E, interesting change.

Uh, Orrn damage buffs? Did he really need those?

What's wrong with Shyvana? I haven't played much on preseason but I watch streams nightly and I actually haven't seen a Shyvana yet.

I have seen jungle Shyv absolutely dumpster games on KR and high Challenger streams. She has a very strong mid game, basically tower dives are super easy and she deals a lot of damage, but falls off late. But imo based on those streams, Kindred is a much bigger problem, she can fall behind but there comes a point where she will become a DPS burst ranged assassin who can also tower dive.

Slusher

United States19143 Posts

November 20 2017 19:52 GMT

#11

She was considered by many the best jungler on the last patch. Really strong early 1v1 and 2v2 with reduced mr. Also really good for abusing the catch up exp nerf and press the attck is pretty good on her

GrandInquisitor

New York City13113 Posts

November 20 2017 20:47 GMT

#12

Yeah Shyvana was def. super strong on the last patch on multiple keystones. She felt ridiculously good and if anything it's a bit puzzling that they only touched her with -3AD.

I assume the rest of the champs need to wait until the Keystone nerfs come through to get a more accurate sense of where they are.

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

November 20 2017 21:19 GMT

#13

lets run some quick stats instead of this imaginary stuff because it gets old honestly

http://na.op.gg/statistics/champion/

winrate last 7 days diamond elo

Shyvana is 18th

Champs higher then her that need obvious nerfs (do not need more time to see unless you're an ape)

#17 maokai
#16 katarina ( absolutely insane on this patch for solo q)
#14 sona ( got nerfed)
#8 xin zhao (the actual best jungler on the patch for solo q)
#4 MF (hits too hard with all the new poke masteries, early game is too oppressive)
#3 ezreal ( needed bugfix)

I won't add taric #5 because I feel its a product of the heavy AD meta but he is really good.

Now sure maybe shyvana needed a nerf, but if they sat there for 2 weeks and said oh -3 ad and literally couldn't be bothered to fix any of these clear outliers they shouldnt even have bothered.

Fildun

Netherlands4124 Posts

November 20 2017 21:29 GMT

#14

Could someone please explain jungle Trist to me? Every time I've played against it she just ints hard.

DarkCore

Germany4194 Posts

November 20 2017 21:43 GMT

#15

Win rates aren't always clear indicators of balance. Remember old LB? She was sitting on like a 49% across all leagues except D1, still got nerfed. And Shyv is the perfect example of that, there is nothing inherently broken in her kit, it's just that top players are able to eek out he power. Personally, I would be up for Shyv being back in the meta, the minor nerf suggests Riot has an agenda and Shyv isn't on it.

cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

November 20 2017 21:55 GMT

#16

Shyv jungle in pro play is fun (her initiation combos with other wombos is just so fun, much cooler than Jarvan), but I get why Riot would not like it to be in soloQ she is the kind of pick that can be relevant while being non-interactive, and then splitpush, which they typically don't like.

In lighthearted news: Holy Startcraft Batman.

Slusher

United States19143 Posts

November 20 2017 22:33 GMT

#17

I mean personally I wouldn't have nerfed her because I don't find her oppressive, but she was really strong for sure.

JimmiC

Canada22817 Posts

November 21 2017 00:01 GMT

#18

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GrandInquisitor

New York City13113 Posts

November 21 2017 03:06 GMT

#19

In addition to the above, note that she shot up in winrate despite a simultaneous increase in play rate, suggesting that she is actually even stronger than her winrate suggests.

Moreover, Shyvana is almost completely keystone-agnostic. PTA, Lethal Tempo, Dark Harvest, Glacial Augment, Fleet Footwork, etc. are all performing extremely well on her. That suggests that you need to nerf her and not any of her keystones. Whereas if you nerf Miss Fortune, you're gonna hit her twice because her strength is almost 100% from Aery.

General_Winter

United States719 Posts

November 21 2017 13:25 GMT

#20

Don't think I've seen it mentioned, but I like the predator buff. I had been using it pre buff and having good luck with it. I'd been running it on Jungle Cho to surprising success.

Basicly once you have boots and level 6, you can pop predator turn on E and just run at people with the massive extra move speed. Apply E to slow, then hit Q when they are slowed and easy to hit, then W while they are knocked up and R when they are silenced. If they dash away from the initial run, you can usually just catch up since predator makes you so fast.

It's pretty good when your coolddowns are up, and this is a buff to cooldowns so I'm happy.

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