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DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
December 02 2017 21:59 GMT
#181
Riot didn't even let me buy Mystery Boxes because I own too many champs haha. Wish I could spend my blue essence on something, it's just piling up these days.

It’s so overturned that lichbane on a character with built in empowered autos is a noob trap. Why buy an item that requires you to auto when ludens splash can put you over the 100-0 threshold much safer.


Imo it's the extra CD that makes the item good on her, makes her abilities even more spammable.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
December 02 2017 22:51 GMT
#182
On December 03 2017 06:59 DarkCore wrote:
Riot didn't even let me buy Mystery Boxes because I own too many champs haha. Wish I could spend my blue essence on something, it's just piling up these days.

Show nested quote +
It’s so overturned that lichbane on a character with built in empowered autos is a noob trap. Why buy an item that requires you to auto when ludens splash can put you over the 100-0 threshold much safer.


Imo it's the extra CD that makes the item good on her, makes her abilities even more spammable.

When the BE store came out they made the mistake and didn't have that restriction. I bought 24 of them.
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
December 03 2017 03:21 GMT
#183
On December 03 2017 06:59 DarkCore wrote:
Riot didn't even let me buy Mystery Boxes because I own too many champs haha. Wish I could spend my blue essence on something, it's just piling up these days.

Show nested quote +
It’s so overturned that lichbane on a character with built in empowered autos is a noob trap. Why buy an item that requires you to auto when ludens splash can put you over the 100-0 threshold much safer.


Imo it's the extra CD that makes the item good on her, makes her abilities even more spammable.

Isn't Morello much more efficient? It's cheaper, have more AP, more CDR and more mana.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
December 03 2017 16:21 GMT
#184
I don't consider myself an expert, it was just an opinion. Most of my experience with Zoe has been having to deal with her past the laning phase, when she either blows me up as an ADC, or is impossible to lockdown as a top laner.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
December 03 2017 17:33 GMT
#185
On December 04 2017 01:21 DarkCore wrote:
I don't consider myself an expert, it was just an opinion. Most of my experience with Zoe has been having to deal with her past the laning phase, when she either blows me up as an ADC, or is impossible to lockdown as a top laner.

Why is she impossible to lock down? She has zero mobility. In my experience Zoes just get destroyed later on but I'm at weak shit elo so doubt that's good experience..
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-03 17:48:04
December 03 2017 17:47 GMT
#186
On December 04 2017 01:21 DarkCore wrote:
I don't consider myself an expert, it was just an opinion. Most of my experience with Zoe has been having to deal with her past the laning phase, when she either blows me up as an ADC, or is impossible to lockdown as a top laner.

I dont really find her hard to lockdown, but then again I only play brainless toplaners like Ornn, Maokai or Nautilus.

On December 04 2017 02:33 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2017 01:21 DarkCore wrote:
I don't consider myself an expert, it was just an opinion. Most of my experience with Zoe has been having to deal with her past the laning phase, when she either blows me up as an ADC, or is impossible to lockdown as a top laner.

Why is she impossible to lock down? She has zero mobility. In my experience Zoes just get destroyed later on but I'm at weak shit elo so doubt that's good experience..

The games I've played (which is few ~80% ban rate lol) she's been super hit or miss. I think she's sort of like Yasuo/Riven/Zed either the player is extremely good at the champion or just plain out suck and only play her because she's fun. At the moment it feels pretty hard to get a good feel of how strong she actually is thanks to the Yasuo-syndrome and how wonky she feels to play against.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
DiracMonopole
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1555 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-04 02:58:59
December 03 2017 22:14 GMT
#187
On December 04 2017 02:33 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2017 01:21 DarkCore wrote:
I don't consider myself an expert, it was just an opinion. Most of my experience with Zoe has been having to deal with her past the laning phase, when she either blows me up as an ADC, or is impossible to lockdown as a top laner.

Why is she impossible to lock down? She has zero mobility. In my experience Zoes just get destroyed later on but I'm at weak shit elo so doubt that's good experience..


Because her ult is short enough CD that she can play way back, and if you dive her she just tosses e at her feet and uses her w with its ridiculous speed boost to kite.

Its a bigger speed boost than highlander

Edit: What is going on here? http://champion.gg/champion/Yasuo/Middle
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
December 04 2017 05:27 GMT
#188
On December 04 2017 07:14 DiracMonopole wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2017 02:33 Numy wrote:
On December 04 2017 01:21 DarkCore wrote:
I don't consider myself an expert, it was just an opinion. Most of my experience with Zoe has been having to deal with her past the laning phase, when she either blows me up as an ADC, or is impossible to lockdown as a top laner.

Why is she impossible to lock down? She has zero mobility. In my experience Zoes just get destroyed later on but I'm at weak shit elo so doubt that's good experience..


Because her ult is short enough CD that she can play way back, and if you dive her she just tosses e at her feet and uses her w with its ridiculous speed boost to kite.

Its a bigger speed boost than highlander

Edit: What is going on here? http://champion.gg/champion/Yasuo/Middle

As far as what?
DiracMonopole
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1555 Posts
December 04 2017 22:13 GMT
#189
On December 04 2017 14:27 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2017 07:14 DiracMonopole wrote:
On December 04 2017 02:33 Numy wrote:
On December 04 2017 01:21 DarkCore wrote:
I don't consider myself an expert, it was just an opinion. Most of my experience with Zoe has been having to deal with her past the laning phase, when she either blows me up as an ADC, or is impossible to lockdown as a top laner.

Why is she impossible to lock down? She has zero mobility. In my experience Zoes just get destroyed later on but I'm at weak shit elo so doubt that's good experience..


Because her ult is short enough CD that she can play way back, and if you dive her she just tosses e at her feet and uses her w with its ridiculous speed boost to kite.

Its a bigger speed boost than highlander

Edit: What is going on here? http://champion.gg/champion/Yasuo/Middle

As far as what?


That yasuo mid is somehow the lowest damage of any champ in the game period, and does all magic damage
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-04 22:25:17
December 04 2017 22:24 GMT
#190
I remember when people here criticized me for criticizing the shyvana nerf heavily.



Champ is barely relevant, as I already predicted electrocute assassins own the jungle with minor aftershock play. The balance team is clueless, the faster you accept that the better.
I come in for the scraps
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
December 04 2017 23:12 GMT
#191
And since then she's still 4th highest picked and 7th highest winrate from the jungle.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-04 23:15:37
December 04 2017 23:15 GMT
#192
I'm super confused why you say she's barely relevant when she's the most relevant she's been in quite some time? Fairly high play and winrate in Solo Q. Even saw some play in Kespa cup.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-05 00:32:57
December 05 2017 00:31 GMT
#193
Maybe that was sarcasm about Shy because she is op? Weird post.
Off-season = best season
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
December 05 2017 01:10 GMT
#194
As much as I think it’s smart to learn from Koreans, the lack of pta Xin and Kindred feels pretty distant from what is dominating here
Carrilord has arrived.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
December 05 2017 01:34 GMT
#195
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General_Winter
Profile Joined February 2011
United States719 Posts
December 05 2017 16:16 GMT
#196
So I know most website like op.gg in addition to including raw winrates for champs include win rate for people with a bucnhbofngames, 40+ 50+ etc. but at least for op.gg although they show you per champion you can't see or sort all champions by win rates on experienced players. Anyone know a website that shows that?
NpG)Explosive
Profile Joined January 2003
France994 Posts
December 05 2017 18:24 GMT
#197
On December 06 2017 01:16 General_Winter wrote:
So I know most website like op.gg in addition to including raw winrates for champs include win rate for people with a bucnhbofngames, 40+ 50+ etc. but at least for op.gg although they show you per champion you can't see or sort all champions by win rates on experienced players. Anyone know a website that shows that?


Something like this?
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
December 05 2017 18:27 GMT
#198
On December 06 2017 03:24 NpG)Explosive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2017 01:16 General_Winter wrote:
So I know most website like op.gg in addition to including raw winrates for champs include win rate for people with a bucnhbofngames, 40+ 50+ etc. but at least for op.gg although they show you per champion you can't see or sort all champions by win rates on experienced players. Anyone know a website that shows that?


Something like this?

The fact that Riven is 131/139 on this is surprising to me.
General_Winter
Profile Joined February 2011
United States719 Posts
December 05 2017 18:37 GMT
#199
On December 06 2017 03:24 NpG)Explosive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2017 01:16 General_Winter wrote:
So I know most website like op.gg in addition to including raw winrates for champs include win rate for people with a bucnhbofngames, 40+ 50+ etc. but at least for op.gg although they show you per champion you can't see or sort all champions by win rates on experienced players. Anyone know a website that shows that?


Something like this?


Awesome! That was exactly what I was looking for. Thanks.
NpG)Explosive
Profile Joined January 2003
France994 Posts
December 05 2017 19:18 GMT
#200
Patch notes are out.
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