EPTI just generally think Riot overrates autos (aside from the ardent meta which was about non-ADC itemization). If Autos were as good as they think, we'd never have had a Jihn-Ashe-Varus AD meta and we would be stuck in a Jax-Irelia-Olaf dominated toplane.
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
I just generally think Riot overrates autos (aside from the ardent meta which was about non-ADC itemization). If Autos were as good as they think, we'd never have had a Jihn-Ashe-Varus AD meta and we would be stuck in a Jax-Irelia-Olaf dominated toplane. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
Sooo much harder to proc Press The Attack than Electrocute. Its flat worse aside from maybe helping your ADC tank bust late game, but they likely are using PTA if they are a traditional ADC as is, and if not the tank wont bust regardless. LOL. I guess you can proc PTA more than once, but thats just not going to happen in any series fight. I want Predator to be good too, but I don't know. I think the damage is too low. The ghost is nice I suppose. Idk, just seems thematically mediocre, like you can chase the guy down and start a fight, but then your keystone does less damage than his so you lose if all else is equal. I guess the thought is ganking, but effectively if means its not really a playmaking rune, it is like a follow up / counter ganking rune. Except for on Evelynn, I think its better than Electrocute if you would normally struggle to follow up the charm against their comp. Might be better in general on Eve, but I havn't played her enough. As an aside, I don't understand why you can't tailor your stat bonus with your secondary path. Bleh. Feels like most champs have like one ideal path, with maybe one rune you change game dependently. The math nerd in me is sad, I lost a pretty big theory craft advantage over lots of players. I really enjoyed having runes for every different matchup in the book. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Right now it does seem like jungle isn't in too good of a place. Although a few offenders like hecarim could make you reconsider that. | ||
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
On November 29 2017 12:21 GrandInquisitor wrote: I thought we had concluded that adaptive damage was calculated as whatever did more damage? This seems to contradict that. https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-pl/2017/11/ask-riot-longest-game-ever/ We worked out that aery (at least) was dealing magic damage when you were primarily physical, and physical damage when you were primarily ap based. This was apparently a bug and got fixed last patch, so now it deals the same as your main damage type. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On November 29 2017 22:07 killerdog wrote: We worked out that aery (at least) was dealing magic damage when you were primarily physical, and physical damage when you were primarily ap based. This was apparently a bug and got fixed last patch, so now it deals the same as your main damage type. Aery is based off of what items you have. It only checks your main damage type when your item AD/AP are tied(probably the same way Camille's shield works). | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
I've also given up on jungle I think. Went back to top/mid and destroyed people. Jungle is too hard and too much flame ;( | ||
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
On November 29 2017 22:23 Gahlo wrote: Aery is based off of what items you have. It only checks your main damage type when your item AD/AP are tied(probably the same way Camille's shield works). That's what I meant by physical damage vs ap damage | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4186 Posts
On November 29 2017 23:48 Numy wrote: Could Zoe be a support? I've had her in a game with me earlier which felt pretty decent and now I'm watching qtpie have her support. Looking at her kit again it does seem to work decently well in support. Her strongest ability is most likely her E while waveclear is a big issue for her. All of that is fine in support. Only issue I see with this is that Zyra most likely does the same stuff better than her? Her E range in the jungle is huuuuge though. I've also given up on jungle I think. Went back to top/mid and destroyed people. Jungle is too hard and too much flame ;( Yesterday I got one shot by 0/8 Mid Zoe with lich bane and level 1 boots, while I was 8/2 pantheon with 2.5 items including EoN and Phage, I was actually at 4/5 health, not full, however, I would imagine that a champ with such ability will be useful as a support as well, some kind of damage support that makes more damage then the carries with fewer items, way fewer items | ||
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
On November 30 2017 02:15 M2 wrote: Yesterday I got one shot by 0/8 Mid Zoe with lich bane and level 1 boots, while I was 8/2 pantheon with 2.5 items including EoN and Phage, I was actually at 4/5 health, not full, however, I would imagine that a champ with such ability will be useful as a support as well, some kind of damage support that makes more damage then the carries with fewer items, way fewer items Might as well play Zyra that does just as much or even more damage outside max Zoe combo, have better teamfighting and while shorter range more reliable and AoE CC. Come on guys, relax on the Zoe hype train... | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4186 Posts
On November 30 2017 02:36 Jek wrote: Might as well play Zyra that does just as much or even more damage outside max Zoe combo, have better teamfighting and while shorter range more reliable and AoE CC. Come on guys, relax on the Zoe hype train... By any means I am not saying that Zoe is the best at what she does, but that she might be relevant and working for the ones who would prefer to play Zoe and not lets say Zyra | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
2 pages later “Picking sub optimal supports is my jam” Lol | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On November 30 2017 02:36 Jek wrote: Might as well play Zyra that does just as much or even more damage outside max Zoe combo, have better teamfighting and while shorter range more reliable and AoE CC. Come on guys, relax on the Zoe hype train... Hype train? I'm not saying she's busted. Just wondering if that may be role she falls into after awhile. | ||
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General_Winter
United States719 Posts
For adc there are two positive champs and just barely a third if you count twitch. Basicly everyone's wins are coming from when Ez or MF isn't banned. Everyone's win rates are going to be inflated from when they get to pick those champs and everyone is going to look boosted when they are banned. That has got to be doing weird things to pairings and how the mmr algo tries to match bot laners. | ||
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
On November 30 2017 05:14 General_Winter wrote: Related. Looking at OP.gg there are 30 top laners with positive win rates, mid 20s jungle with positive win rates and high 20s mid lane with positive win rates. For adc there are two positive champs and just barely a third if you count twitch. Basicly everyone's wins are coming from when Ez or MF isn't banned. Everyone's win rates are going to be inflated from when they get to pick those champs and everyone is going to look boosted when they are banned. That has got to be doing weird things to pairings and how the mmr algo tries to match bot laners. I mentioned the exact same thing in this or the previous patch thread, it seems a bit ridiculous that almost all ADC are sitting on a sub 50% win rate. I've tried out MF myself, completely forgot her AS without runes is trash so I couldn't cs, played like trash, didn't pull off a good ult once, landed like no Qs in lane, still completely destroyed the game and did most damage. I consider Ezreal a bit more skillful, but klepto is just crazy good on him, the Q buff is just icing on the cake. The new rune system looks good on paper for DPS ADC, but in reality Aery/Comet/Klepto are just way too strong, to the point they're taking over a role they're not supposed to be core on. Even Lethality Varus is making a comeback because of it lol, I thought that cancer was gone for good. | ||
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dsyxelic
United States1417 Posts
On November 29 2017 23:48 Numy wrote: Could Zoe be a support? I've had her in a game with me earlier which felt pretty decent and now I'm watching qtpie have her support. Looking at her kit again it does seem to work decently well in support. Her strongest ability is most likely her E while waveclear is a big issue for her. All of that is fine in support. Only issue I see with this is that Zyra most likely does the same stuff better than her? Her E range in the jungle is huuuuge though. I've also given up on jungle I think. Went back to top/mid and destroyed people. Jungle is too hard and too much flame ;( think i mentioned it earlier on this thread or a previous one but yeah she works support. it was disgusting with jhin where a W or sleep can chain into each other and just 1 shot especially with the zoe passive + q with jhin 4th auto q. it's just gross. but zoe itself is just so busted right now that its probably just good as a champ | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
why does Riot develop these ridiculous kits | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On December 01 2017 10:03 Bladeorade wrote: Zoe seems really busted why does Riot develop these ridiculous kits certainlyT does it | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On December 01 2017 10:04 Slusher wrote: I don’t know if the kit would be that bad if it took more than spec shoes to one shot Yeah I also think numbers are a bit off and the rng with W drops from minions is too much. They should not drop really good stuff. She is not as op as some claim though, she also has clear weaknesses and win rate is still negative. Although I suspect it will rise soon with more experienced players. Also she still has a big bug apparently with range extension on Q via R not working properly if the target is sleeping and QQR is used. I love her overall kit though. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
Why would QQR extend the range? | ||
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